01-13-2010, 03:42 PM
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Did anyone on here live in Jackson since the 1950s? I'm not sure why I chose that decade, but I am under the impression that surely that "bad" areas of Jackson couldn't have always been this way.
I have lived in the suburbs of Jackson my whole life and don't know much about what's west of State Street besides a few blocks of downtown that I know. I hear the names of the streets on the radio (Lynch, Ellis Ave, Robinson) but I've never seen them.
So at one point were these good areas? When did it get taken over and deemed unsafe? Where did those people who occupy it now live before?
I just want to know what old Jackson was like.
01-13-2010, 04:29 PM
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I used to live near Ellis avenue, but that was the 70's not the 50's. It wasn't too bad then, I lived near enough to walk to the Dairy Queen or the Ellis Cinema and generally loved it. Course I was renting a room in the home of an alcoholic vet and doing a lot of acid at the time, so what do I know?
You've surely seen Ellis because you drive past it on I-20 coming through town. It wasn't bad in the 70's it was middle class. Me and my cousin saw Jaws there when it opened and it was a pretty cool multiplex type theatre. It was totally sold out so we piled up in the hall near the back - try that in a theatre nowdays! You'll be permanently glued to the floor.
Also used to live on Robinson rd. We lived very near the Roses which was still there last time I went through. It also was not a bad place, me and my 13 yr old cousin used to walk to Roses almost daily. I went there looking at property a few years back and it did look like the area had fallen economically, but there's a nice park nearby and it's really a matter of choosing the right area. It's all intermingled, there's pockets of real poverty where homes have been badly neglected but right across the street are homes folks still care for and are trying. I'd say all that part of town needs is a few more of the right people to move in (maybe some gays? There's some cool homes there lol). The Robsinson Rd exit area from i-55 to the west is a pretty nicely located part of town, it's just having a hard time like everyone else right now. There's quite a lot of black folk there but it's not a slum and we never felt unwelcome by anyone when we were considering a few houses there. Actually if I wanted to live in Jackson I might still move there - many of the homes look like terrific bargains.
Keep in mind around this time Farish st was considered the slum part of town. Those quaint little homes lining the very gentrified area now were shotgun shacks back then where hookers plied their wares from open front doors as pimps sat in the front room watching tv and collecting rent. I also lived in this area then and loved it. I rented a room in the trav-l-lodge and my neighbors were hookers and drunks who hadnt yet hit bottom. There was a bar around the corner where I could go enjoy a cocktail at a mildly illegal 18 years of age and the hooker who lived next door was still young and pretty enough I always felt tickled when she'd flirt with me. Only had gunfire outside the door one time, but I loved that I could walk to the nightclub up the street where all you can drink beer for five bucks was often accompanied by a local funk or soul band and plenty of pretty ladies to dance with. I worked about a mile toward the train switching yard so it was a good place for me at the time. It was a place no "proper" white person would have lived at the time but it was nowhere near as bad as its reputation. The worse I had to contend with were the hookers walking alongside whispering all the things they'd do to me if only I'd step inside their red light shacks.
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01-14-2010, 10:03 AM
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Jackson used to be like safe. now it's like not safe.
01-14-2010, 12:03 PM
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The Jackson I recall was never considered safe. Especially if you were black.
Safety is an illusion. People watch too much TV. The entire country feels "not safe" now and reportedly felt that way all through the Clinton administration - the entire time FBI crimes stats were falling. Even after the 8 years of Bush (when, thanks to his cutting off money for police that the dems had dropped into the cities the decade before, crime was ON THE RISE the entire time) total crime stats are still like 1/4 of what they were when I was a teen and everyone reportedly felt "safe."
People watch too much TV. Then they grow up and watch FOX, which tells them to be scared. And they believe it because they're not CHILDREN any more and adults simply MUST have something to fear.
I thought you were a Jackson supporter? Why are you calling for theme parks and other nonsense then chiming in here about how it isn't safe?
01-14-2010, 12:07 PM
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The Jackson I recall was never considered safe. Especially if you were black.
Safe compared to Chicago, Houston, New Orleans and Miami Jackson was like the Huckstables until the 80's. black or not. now it's more like those cities.
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I thought you were a Jackson supporter? Why are you calling for theme parks and other nonsense then chiming in here about how it isn't safe?
I am. but I'm also a realest. and I'm not calling for a 6 Flags to be put in Presidential Hills or the Westside...LOL..I know better than that.
01-14-2010, 12:12 PM
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Keep in mind around this time Farish st was considered the slum part of town. Those quaint little homes lining the very gentrified area now were shotgun shacks back then where hookers plied their wares from open front doors as pimps sat in the front room watching tv and collecting rent.
Farish Street is still slummy. just with cleaner streets. my grandmother lived off Farish all her life and we loved it. people knew each other and it was all good. nowadays, you gotta keep your hand on your wallet and watch for crackheads and stick up kids. she has since moved and for good reason. they tried to lowball her on the buy out but she end up gettin' a nice check. not sure how other households fared.
01-14-2010, 12:20 PM
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Wow. I dont live there but I see the local news. I read the papers. Jackson has a newspaper that hates the government and despite that I dont see anything putting Jackson even close to the problems they are having in Chicago, which I also travel through fairly often. And New Orleans? Ummm.. I don't think so.
How old are you, OJ? I'm betting you were a teen yourself (or close to it) during those "Huxtable years."
01-14-2010, 01:25 PM
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Wow. I dont live there but I see the local news. I read the papers. Jackson has a newspaper that hates the government and despite that I dont see anything putting Jackson even close to the problems they are having in Chicago, which I also travel through fairly often. And New Orleans? Ummm.. I don't think so.
How old are you, OJ? I'm betting you were a teen yourself (or close to it) during those "Huxtable years."
I don't know of any newspaper that "hates" the government. they're all pretty vanilla when it comes to being cutting edge on issues around Jackson. You have to have your feet on the ground here to
really get a sense of what's going on. More crime than you can shake a stick at. more broad daylight crimes too.
You gotta remember, Katrina dumped a lot of criminals in Jackson who fly under the local papers and police radar. the papers only talk about soft issues anyway like who made a new Quilt today or when is the next flea market somewhere in the state. Not really news you can use.
yes, I was a teen back then. So I've seen Jackson go from trying to dying over the years. I know what Jackson
can do, it's just not enough forward thinking people that want to do it. Stuck in the stone ages.
01-14-2010, 02:34 PM
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No, what you have seen is your viewpoint mature. Guess what? I'm probably 20 years older than you yet I have the SAME memories of Jackson being a safe, happy place. The Jackson you remember is the same Jackson I remember - it's called NOSTALGIA. The America I remember is the same one Glenn Beck remembers and Sarah Palin remembers and Rush Limbaugh remembers even though we're decades apart in the spectrum.
It's because KIDS see the world as less threatening. Always. When you grow up you become more aware and, if you're unfortunate, more fearful. It's not the world that's changed, it's us. It's human nature. The biggest factor in any of this is how we communicate - it's much more immediate, and more people spending more time hiding in their homes in front of the TV or computer rather than being outside doing stuff with the neighbors. That still doesn't mean the world is less safe, it only means we THINK of it as being that way.
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No, what you have seen is your viewpoint mature. Guess what? I'm probably 20 years older than you yet I have the SAME memories of Jackson being a safe, happy place. The Jackson you remember is the same Jackson I remember - it's called NOSTALGIA. The America I remember is the same one Glenn Beck remembers and Sarah Palin remembers and Rush Limbaugh remembers even though we're decades apart in the spectrum.
It's because KIDS see the world as less threatening. Always. When you grow up you become more aware and, if you're unfortunate, more fearful. It's not the world that's changed, it's us. It's human nature. The biggest factor in any of this is how we communicate - it's much more immediate, and more people spending more time hiding in their homes in front of the TV or computer rather than being outside doing stuff with the neighbors. That still doesn't mean the world is less safe, it only means we THINK of it as being that way.
um...sir...Jackson was ranked in the top 10 highest crime rates when I was young. that never happend before. and I think they just made the top10 again this year. which tells me it's gotten worst.
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)