03-22-2016, 11:25 AM
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tgalbraith
In addition to all the above issues, it bears mentioning that while the warranty on the product appears on the surface to be an impressive "30 Year Warranty", what the builders (and Zip Wall) fail to tell you is that the warranty ONLY applies to the original owner, so if you buy a home with Zip Wall from a previous owner, you have no warranty on the wall system.
Also, for the system to be warranted, the tape has to be installed flat, smooth and free from wrinkles and bubbles, and the tape has to be centered on all the seams within 1/2".
I have seen 0 Zip Walls done correctly in the 7 years I've been inspecting them. None that I have witnessed would qualify for the warranty. I even inspected one yesterday that the builder claims was done by a "Certified" Zip Tape installer, and they had major installation problems with reverse flashing on the tape, holes at the top of the tape that would catch water, etc.
In addition to that, they only warranty replacement of the panels themselves.....not labor to replace them, nor repair the rest of your home if there is a problem! Who wants something replaced with something that is defective, even if it is free?!?
Compare that to the Warranty for virtually all housewrap manufacturers, who have material AND labor warranties that will repair your home (not just replace material) in the event of a failure of the housewrap.
Bottom Line....no matter what a sales rep tells you about the Zip Wall system, the chance that you actually have a warranty is slim to none when it's all said and done. Read the fine print and do your homework!
SS
03-30-2016, 09:17 PM
Location: St Johns County
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Sorry, again just another biased opinion" - I'm not just a civil engineer (I have been a licensed PE in several states) and realtor but also I have been building high quality homes, townhouses, condos and apartments for 30 years and it is an irrefutable fact that the zip wall system is a great system if installed properly and highly recommended. I also am licensed in 6 states as a catastrophe adjuster for Allstate and State Farm, so I have "inspected" probably a whole lot more structures than any building inspector. I find it laughable that I am being called naive as I have probably forgot more about building systems than most will ever know. I can cherry pick photos and make all the accusations I want especially if I had zero, hands-on, liability and responsibility experience for what I built. The fact is I have built over 50 large apartment complexes with some that had over 300 units each, over 2000 homes and condos and have used many types of paneling systems, sheathing, Typar, Tyvek, felts and yes, Zip Wall and Tiger Wall- you name it. Only had 4 issues out of all and all of those were due to installation problems or substrate cavity gaps that held moisture. Get over your bias. Yes, I like Tyvek over sheathing the best, but I know the other systems are fine as just like any system, Tyvek is only as good as the installation.
03-31-2016, 08:22 PM
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Sorry, again just another biased opinion" - I'm not just a civil engineer (I have been a licensed PE in several states) and realtor but also I have been building high quality homes, townhouses, condos and apartments for 30 years and it is an irrefutable fact that the zip wall system is a great system if installed properly and highly recommended. I also am licensed in 6 states as a catastrophe adjuster for Allstate and State Farm, so I have "inspected" probably a whole lot more structures than any building inspector. I find it laughable that I am being called naive as I have probably forgot more about building systems than most will ever know. I can cherry pick photos and make all the accusations I want especially if I had zero, hands-on, liability and responsibility experience for what I built. The fact is I have built over 50 large apartment complexes with some that had over 300 units each, over 2000 homes and condos and have used many types of paneling systems, sheathing, Typar, Tyvek, felts and yes, Zip Wall and Tiger Wall- you name it. Only had 4 issues out of all and all of those were due to installation problems or substrate cavity gaps that held moisture. Get over your bias. Yes, I like Tyvek over sheathing the best, but I know the other systems are fine as just like any system, Tyvek is only as good as the installation.
Quite an impressive resume` I would say, however, absolutely none of your stated experience qualifies you in any way to be an expert in modern day building science techniques. The technology and principles we use today are vastly different from just 10 years ago, let alone 30.
As for my bias...I don't understand the implication? Biased towards what? If helping to educate otherwise unknowing home buyers as to what they are actually getting, then so be it, I'm biased.
Fact is, your last sentence not only gives away your lack of actual building science knowledge, your need to boast of your great accomplishments on an anonymous internet message forum speaks a great deal about your own insecurities. I'm sorry if you are a realtor trying to sell homes being built with the Zip Wall system (hence your prior post being deleted for advertising), but science, common sense and physics will overrule any emotional attachment you may have to a particular method of construction.
Tyvek, for your information, is a high permeability product, rated at 59 perms. Almost every Building Scientist in the country determined years ago that a low perm product, between 5-20 perms is the optimal perm rating for a hot, humid climate such as Florida. Also, Tyvek is highly susceptible to the surfactants in stucco, and the tannins in wood, which will reduce it's surface tension and allow it to get wet and deteriorate. I have plenty of case studies and pictures of that, which, with your immense experience, I would think you would have such documents in your possession as well, but apparently not, since it is still your favorite. Most National builders won't even allow it to be installed on their homes that are built in hot, humid climates, which is why you hardly see it anymore anywhere in the State of Florida.
Ironically, Tyvek was invented 30 years ago, roughly about the same time you entered your vast building career it would appear, so the outdated technology of that product matches your knowledge of current scientific building standards.
I suggest you do some reading up on Joe Lstiburek or Phillip Wemhoff, two of the best building scientists out there, whom I've worked closely with in the past and whose research and opinions are much more regarded among building professionals today than anything you will see published on city data.
Again, I agree, Zip Wall, installed 100% perfectly, should work just fine for an undetermined amount of years (it has not been in the market long enough to be proven how long it will last), but again, I have yet to see one single building in the Jacksonville, Orlando or Tampa markets that has been done even close to 100% correct.
Lastly...you failed to address my statement about the warranty on Zip Wall not being transferable. Any homebuyer that buys a home from somebody else that has Zip Wall, does not have a warranty, period. It's publicly available information that can be accessed with a simple Google search, and it's actually the very first paragraph in their warranty document. It's almost a joke that you brag about all your lifelong accomplishments in construction, and then proclaim that the two least desirable products that can be used in a wall system in Florida are your favorites.
I must admit I'm very perplexed at your dissonance with my wanting to help potential homebuyers know what they are getting into, especially when it's a part of the home construction that they are very unaware of or educated about. Nevertheless, I'm sure your ego will feel the need to respond to this, and that's fine, but it will not sway in any way, shape or form my desire to help the visitors of this forum get the knowledge they need to make informed decisions about making what is typically the largest investment of their lives. So I suggest you put on your big boy pants and deal with it.
SS
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Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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