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Old 09-04-2018, 11:01 AM
 
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Before we pull the trigger, does anyone have any opinions on Mastercraft Builders in Shearwater or TrailMark Communities; all in the St. Augustine area? There homes are impressive to see, though their sales people don't have a very extensive knowledge of their product or building, in general. We would appreciate any honest opinions on their building methods, not what they advertise, but the real deal, including subcontractor quality and especially inspections by supervisors.
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Old 09-05-2018, 07:08 AM
 
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If you are building from a distance you may want to retain a home inspector to inspect at the four stages of building or use a buyer agent realtor to watch whilst you are not here
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Old 09-05-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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Thank you for the good advice, you're not the first one to warn us. That's one reason we are inquiring about Mastercraft. We love their models and floorplans, but can't seem to find any reviews, or opinions about their build quality or subcontractors.
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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If you can, PM ShakenStirred, he is the best local expert on builder quality. He started this thread: //www.city-data.com/forum/jacks...-rankings.html
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Old 09-05-2018, 06:20 PM
 
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It doesn't matter how good the builder is or their reputation you need someone on site to watch things or you are looking for trouble. We are in the midst of a renovation with one of the most highly regarded builders/remodelers in NE Florida. We have been there throughout the process and I have caught numerous things. Even the best will not do as good a job as if you were there yourself.
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Old 09-06-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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Just adding a +1 for hiring a home inspector at framing and final at a minimum. However as Thundarr457 said, if you aren't going to move to the are to keep a daily eye on the quality then it would be smart to find a way to get someone to do quality and comparison inspections against your contract. Even a friend with a good eye who can visit often would be useful. If I did this over again i'd pay our home inspector over and over to revisit many more times just to do quality and function testing way prior to final and also to compare the plans against what is in the house. Finishes, upgrades, plumbing and electrical outlets etc. Well worth the money to have these fixed during the build vs when you live there.
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Old 09-07-2018, 03:27 PM
 
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Before we pull the trigger, does anyone have any opinions on Mastercraft Builders in Shearwater or TrailMark Communities; all in the St. Augustine area? There homes are impressive to see, though their sales people don't have a very extensive knowledge of their product or building, in general. We would appreciate any honest opinions on their building methods, not what they advertise, but the real deal, including subcontractor quality and especially inspections by supervisors.
Mastercraft builds a typical house like you would get from most NE Florida builders, so really, if they have a floor plan or model you like, you're going to get basically the same quality as many of the other. Now here's what you need to pay attention to:

MasterCraft does use the Huber Zip System on their walls, and I can't tell you anything about the installation company that installs their zip tape that would give you confidence in their quality. What you need to do, what anyone should do on a zip wall house really, is either watch yourself, or hire somebody to watch, the day that the Zip Tape is installed on your walls, and in some cases, your roof as well (for the builders that do the zip roofing panels).

The single most important thing on Zip Wall, is to make sure that the every square inch of the Zip Tape is rolled using the special J-rollers. Zip Tape is a pressure sensitive adhesion tape, and if you do not roll every square inch, it will not stick and it WILL lead to failures in the wall system later down the road.

If you cannot, or will not, for whatever reason, WATCH your house when it gets zip taped, you should not use a builder that uses the Zip System, and instead go with a builder that uses traditional housewrap. That won't guarantee the housewrap is done correctly either, but housewrap is much more forgiving than the Zip.

And don't be afraid...let your builder, superintendent, whomever, know upfront that you want to know when the house gets zip taped, and that you will have someone watching to make sure it is rolled. I cannot stress this point enough. Rolling it releases the special adhesive in it that is designed to stick to the green wall panels, and it will be subject to thermal degradation once it gets covered up, and the entire system is 100% dependent on the Zip Tape working. It's your house, and your money, so make sure they get it right!

There are some builders I know of for sure that use companies that do the rolling like it should be, but even that is sometimes neighborhood specific if the builder uses more than one company to install it, which is the case most of the time. In that case, it's really neighborhood specific.

I hope this helps some of you, because their are some zip wall failures starting to show up in other parts of the country now, and it's all from poor installation practices, not the product itself.

SS

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Old 09-09-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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SS,
You must be sick to death of hearing the same old questions, but people really trust in your opinions and honesty, (a blessing or a curse?). Can you recommend a company that tapes house wrap correctly? Doesn't the company or 'sub' that puts up the wrap also tape it? What if I 'catch' a sub not using the proper J-roller you mentioned...can I just demand he stop and get the right roller? Sometimes it takes days to get in touch with a construction supervisor, as often they work several communities at once. I would even consider offering to pay a builder the additional cost of using a proper taper, given the importance of getting the job done right at the construction phase rather than the 'repair' phase. Sheesh, who knew of these major issues that no one (builders) seems to disclose at contract time? It's a damn shame we can't get the answers from the builders. Thank you for all your priceless insight, past and present.
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:34 AM
 
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SS,
You must be sick to death of hearing the same old questions, but people really trust in your opinions and honesty, (a blessing or a curse?). Can you recommend a company that tapes house wrap correctly? Doesn't the company or 'sub' that puts up the wrap also tape it? What if I 'catch' a sub not using the proper J-roller you mentioned...can I just demand he stop and get the right roller? Sometimes it takes days to get in touch with a construction supervisor, as often they work several communities at once. I would even consider offering to pay a builder the additional cost of using a proper taper, given the importance of getting the job done right at the construction phase rather than the 'repair' phase. Sheesh, who knew of these major issues that no one (builders) seems to disclose at contract time? It's a damn shame we can't get the answers from the builders. Thank you for all your priceless insight, past and present.
Why don't you hire SS to help you? No one has apparently has any direct experience with that particular builder. There is a limit to what free info is available here. If you want to build a new house here, you will have to hire someone to watch the construction or else you will have to be satisfied with what happens.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:44 PM
 
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SS,
You must be sick to death of hearing the same old questions, but people really trust in your opinions and honesty, (a blessing or a curse?). Can you recommend a company that tapes house wrap correctly? Doesn't the company or 'sub' that puts up the wrap also tape it? What if I 'catch' a sub not using the proper J-roller you mentioned...can I just demand he stop and get the right roller? Sometimes it takes days to get in touch with a construction supervisor, as often they work several communities at once. I would even consider offering to pay a builder the additional cost of using a proper taper, given the importance of getting the job done right at the construction phase rather than the 'repair' phase. Sheesh, who knew of these major issues that no one (builders) seems to disclose at contract time? It's a damn shame we can't get the answers from the builders. Thank you for all your priceless insight, past and present.
Not sick of it at all. I can always shut my computer off if I get tired of answering questions. I actually enjoy helping people on here, and will continue to do so up until I get rich and buy my own private island. I'll most likely be around a while longer though.

That being said, I can only recommend one company in Jacksonville that i know for sure does the zip taping and housewrap properly nearly 100% of the time. Their website can be found here:

Alliance Building Solutions – Weatherization System Specialists

Not the greatest website in my opinion, but at least they focus on quality in the field where it counts. Even if you learn that your builder uses that company, I would still recommend watching it be done, just as that one last layer of extra security to help you sleep at night.

And I don't mean you necessarily have to watch them zip tape all day. If you keep an eye on them for 45 minutes or an hour, and I recommend recording it, you'll see if they have been trained to roll it or not. If they don't, then yes, you absolutely call your Superintendent on the project right away, and let him know that you have recorded them not rolling it, and then contact Huber (the manufacturer) directly and get them involved. I would be willing to share that contact info with you in private when the time comes if needed. Huber can put pressure on the builder to get it done right, or they will not warranty it. And you will have documentation if you ever have a leak problem to turn over to the attorney that will be handling your construction defect case! Hopefully it never comes to that though.

Once that wall system gets covered up, there is no "fixing" the zip tape (or housewrap for that matter), until years later when the moisture intrusion starts and you have to rip the whole wall system off and re-do it.

The video and close monitoring of the process should eliminate this problem up front.

I wish you the best of luck!

SS
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