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Old 01-27-2020, 10:23 AM
 
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Thanks SS. Good to see my buddy’s company made your top 10. He told me yesterday about the shortage of good subs as you mentioned. He has to poach from other builders and have them work weekends at higher cost. I suppose he makes this list because he refuses to compromise on quality.
Would you mind sharing the name of your buddy's company? If not, I completely understand. I'm just curious.

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Old 01-30-2020, 07:42 PM
 
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Well that makes me feel better about backing out of my contract with them. Their sales people just got a bit too sketchy for me when I was asking for simple numbers a month after signing a contract. Had to eat some money, but oh well. Now I am going with another not on your list, but I walked a bunch of properties under construction with them before signing, and so far in my build I am seeing a similar level of workmanship. I am also building up in Nassau County, which appears to have a different pool of contractors from St Johns county and that might be the real difference.

The situation is as follows....DuPont and Dow merged, then split the products according to what fit who best, and then split back up again.

Now, DuPont owns all the Dow Products, however, during all this transition which is still going on, there is no Dow Representative to inspect or work with the builders to ensure quality and warranty standards are being met. There is however a DuPont Tyvek Representative out of Orlando, but I'm not sure what his authority is or will be over the Dow Products. It's a pretty confusing situation for all at the moment.

That being said, the attached pictures should make you feel even better about backing out of your contract. The mistakes and lack of quality are appalling. This is what happens when extreme cost cutting meets lowball subcontractors. I would advice anyone whose home is being done with either the Tyvek or Dow Weathermate Systems contact DuPont and insist that they have a representative check their home during this stage to make sure it's done properly. You can enter your zip code here and find your nearest specialist:

https://dpscrm.secure.force.com/TyvekSpecialistLocator/
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Old 02-01-2020, 05:21 PM
 
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Shaken, what is the rationale for a company to produce shoddily built homes ? Do they want to spend years in litigation while their name becomes synonymous with poor workmanship ? I'm just at a loss as to how this helps their bottom line.

We were seriously considering David Weekley until we read your post. Though now they lost a sale.

Keep up the good work.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:47 PM
 
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Shaken, what is the rationale for a company to produce shoddily built homes ? Do they want to spend years in litigation while their name becomes synonymous with poor workmanship ? I'm just at a loss as to how this helps their bottom line.

We were seriously considering David Weekley until we read your post. Though now they lost a sale.

Keep up the good work.
There's a lot of things working against builders in this environment. Manpower is scarce, so costs are going up. Trades are having a hard time keeping workers, and replacing older workers that are beginning to retire. The subcontractors aren't taking advantage of this, they simply are having to pay much higher wages to attract and retain even mediocre employees. They in turn charge the builders more to offset the higher costs of wages and insurance.

Builders are kind of stuck, because the "1st time homebuyer" market is currently very underserved, and they all want to try and capture part of that market. The only way to do that is to cut costs. The only way to cut costs is through labor, so they (most, not all) are hiring the lowest bidders in virtually all trades.

In the long run, it doesn't help their bottom line at all, only in the short term. We saw a similar situation in the late 90's to early 2000's, where cutting costs was the only mantra in place, and many builders ended up embroiled in heavy construction defect litigation from mold intrusion. They saying between the lawyers back then was "Mold is Gold!"

But I digress....construction is not only a heavily "reactive" industry, and usually only begins to solve problems, after the problems appear, but it is also an industry with a short memory. It is full of young, inexperienced newbies who weren't around during what one Building Scientist labeled as "The water wars" of the time period. These relative newcomers seek to put feather in their proverbial hats and impress the higher ups by extreme cost cutting. It's how they justify their jobs and how the big national builders impress their shareholders. Customers are a distant 2nd in importance to the shareholder and Board of Directors.

A company like DW Homes is privately owned, so no shareholder to cater to, but in some aspects, it's worse for them. They have to compete with the nationals for business, who can negotiate lower material prices in exchange for massive volume over the whole country. Take Pulte Homes for example....they got creative and just recently bought ICG which I believe is the largest framing firm in all of NE Florida. Imagine that...you need a framer, well now you own one. So even though ICG does framing for the majority of the bigger builders in this region, who do you think is going to get priority now? I'm pretty sure it'll be Pulte. Pretty genius if you ask me, but my thoughts are this hurts a lot of other builders sooner rather than later. Why would the other builders pay to use a company that is going to support their competition now? A lot of people are scratching their heads wondering how that is going to work out, and while I'm sure others are thinking they may try and follow suit, their just aren't that many companies the size of ICG that can handle that much work. It'll be interesting to follow that situation over the summer.

https://www.builderonline.com/builde...da-based-icg_o

Bottom line is, competition is fierce right now, both for home-buyers and for subcontractors, and I don't see the situation getting better anytime soon. For now, it's critical that potential home-buyers educate themselves and hire 3rd party inspectors to protect their investments to the best of their ability. The builders are looking out for their bottom line, and I really can't blame them for that, but the decline in quality is going to lead, I firmly believe, to a sequel called "Water Wars II, Revenge of the Moisture."

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Old 02-12-2020, 05:30 AM
 
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it's critical that potential home-buyers educate themselves and hire 3rd party inspectors to protect their investments to the best of their ability.

SS

Yes I agree. It wasn't something that I initially gave much thought to however after reading through your posts I believe hiring an inspector to oversee the project in it's entirety is an investment well spent.

I'm also considering taking it a step further and hiring someone to assist in lot selection, as I believe that to be one of the most important steps in home building.

Thanks again Shaken, your input is always spot on.
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:17 AM
 
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The situation is as follows....DuPont and Dow merged, then split the products according to what fit who best, and then split back up again.

Now, DuPont owns all the Dow Products, however, during all this transition which is still going on, there is no Dow Representative to inspect or work with the builders to ensure quality and warranty standards are being met. There is however a DuPont Tyvek Representative out of Orlando, but I'm not sure what his authority is or will be over the Dow Products. It's a pretty confusing situation for all at the moment.

That being said, the attached pictures should make you feel even better about backing out of your contract. The mistakes and lack of quality are appalling. This is what happens when extreme cost cutting meets lowball subcontractors. I would advice anyone whose home is being done with either the Tyvek or Dow Weathermate Systems contact DuPont and insist that they have a representative check their home during this stage to make sure it's done properly. You can enter your zip code here and find your nearest specialist:

https://dpscrm.secure.force.com/TyvekSpecialistLocator/
The city inspectors should be held accountable by rejecting permits. There is no excuse for this shoddy workmanship.
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Old 02-17-2020, 06:09 PM
 
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ShakenStirred, your posts are a huge help - thank you. Finally ready to buy a home in St. Johns County in the next 2 months and move down from Virginia. Is there a home inspector or home inspection company that you would recommend?
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Old 02-24-2020, 07:20 AM
 
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Shaken, just sent you a pm.

Thanks
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Old 02-26-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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ShakenStirred, your posts are a huge help - thank you. Finally ready to buy a home in St. Johns County in the next 2 months and move down from Virginia. Is there a home inspector or home inspection company that you would recommend?
Biltrite is very reputable.

https://biltriteqa.com/
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Old 02-26-2020, 11:50 AM
 
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Biltrite is very reputable.

https://biltriteqa.com/
PM may be best for this, but for Amelia Concourse in FB, is there any specific biltrite inspector you would recommend?
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