05-31-2008, 03:45 PM
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Well, In FL probably not. esp for DUI. Other states are much more forgiving for First Offenders. eg. Move to set aside conviction and expunge.
In Florida, you can't expunge a conviction. You can expunge an arrest if the charges were dropped or not filed.
05-31-2008, 04:16 PM
Location: SE Florida
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It's about consequences. I can't believe that he followed the rules all year long and, with one disgression, was booted from the ceremony. His dad should not aid him in thinking that he is a victim.
05-31-2008, 07:14 PM
Location: NE Florida
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He wanted to have his son punished the old fashion way with some work!
Some work? I thought the old fashion way was a good paddling on the behind.
05-31-2008, 08:03 PM
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Rules are rules, weather or not you like the consequences, you broke a rule there for there will be a consequences.
05-31-2008, 09:13 PM
Location: SD
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My younger brother decided he didn't like PE and refused to go the last two months of HS. Guess what? He didn't graduate. Dumbest move he ever made but .. it was his life and his dumb decision.
Like other posters commented, there has to be more to this story. I remember, vaguely
, that for leaving campus (AWOL) we were issued warnings and then a two-day
vacation . There definitely is more to the story and I would advise his dad to keep pushing for an answer. Is he not allowed to graduate and being expelled or is he not being allowed to walk at graduation? Those are two different things here. Maybe they think not being able to walk at graduation is an honor he doesn't deserve right now and is a just punishment?
05-31-2008, 10:24 PM
Location: Jax
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I would hope this was not the first attempt by the school to reprimand the kid for skipping class. For a first reprimand, it's a pretty steep one.
Is this the first time the father attempted speaking to the principal? Why is everything occurring at the 11th hour??
Sounds like a communication breakdown. This should have been addressed earlier in the year, either initiated by the school or by the parent - whomever had the greater interest in this child
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05-31-2008, 10:29 PM
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If an A-B student doesn't make it to all the classes and still gets A s & B s then maybe he doesn't need to be in class. If I went to the school to talk to the principle about my son, I would expect to be given a face to face. Theres alot of stupid rules that just serve to create more problems in our society by mandating harsh penalty's for minor violations. Is this what we are teaching in our schools, that there is NO fair justice or fair evaluation for getting the sentence to fit the crime? No compromise? I hope he becomes a cop and pulls some of you over for something you don't think you have done and see how you feel about things then! Yeh theres more to the story. To this kid school was boring so he took off. Is school some sort of prison? I thought it was a place to learn. If the kid gets all A & B s then whats the big deal. In todays world just about everyone has a cell phone so when a kid gets to be 16 and can work whats the big deal? If he's old enough to work and drive then whats with the prison act? What world are you living in? Back in 1975 they let us leave school whenever we didn't have a class. And as long as we kept our grades up we were not forced to attend all our classes. This really made it easier on the teachers. Smaller class,more attention! Why would an A student have to be in class? Why punish a good student?
06-01-2008, 05:30 AM
Location: Historic Springfield
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So you're saying that this child is an AB honor student that left the campus once and now is denied participation in the graduation ceremony? If it was only one offense, then yes, I'd say the punishment doesn't fit the 'crime', but I'm willing to bet that it's not the first offense and that there's a good deal more to all of this. Sure sounds like this child was probably leaving campus often, which is a violation of the rules.
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Yeh theres more to the story. To this kid school was boring so he took off.
What values would this mindset teach the child who had violated rules, and is angry that he was punished for doing so...
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I hope he becomes a cop and pulls some of you over for something you don't think you have done and see how you feel about things then!
I can appreciate your anger over other issues, such as wasteful spending, but that has nothing to do with the child being punished for what they did wrong.
06-01-2008, 05:40 AM
Location: SE Florida
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To this kid school was boring so he took off. Is school some sort of prison? I thought it was a place to learn. If the kid gets all A & B s then whats the big deal.
I would say that he did learn there. He learned a valuable lesson- follow the rules or face the consequences. I'm sorry that school was boring for him. Work can be boring, too. But if he does this on a job, he will be fired. So, yes, I'd say that school taught him a very valuable lesson. That he is not above the rules, A student or not.
Oh, and if he becomes a cop, he better really be ready to follow the rules. Failure to do so could result in much more grave consequences than just being terminated.
06-01-2008, 06:24 AM
Location: Atlantic Highlands NJ/Ponte Vedra FL/NYC
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If an A-B student doesn't make it to all the classes and still gets A s & B s then maybe he doesn't need to be in class. If I went to the school to talk to the principle about my son, I would expect to be given a face to face. Theres alot of stupid rules that just serve to create more problems in our society by mandating harsh penalty's for minor violations. Is this what we are teaching in our schools, that there is NO fair justice or fair evaluation for getting the sentence to fit the crime? No compromise? I hope he becomes a cop and pulls some of you over for something you don't think you have done and see how you feel about things then! Yeh theres more to the story. To this kid school was boring so he took off. Is school some sort of prison? I thought it was a place to learn. If the kid gets all A & B s then whats the big deal. In todays world just about everyone has a cell phone so when a kid gets to be 16 and can work whats the big deal? If he's old enough to work and drive then whats with the prison act? What world are you living in? Back in 1975 they let us leave school whenever we didn't have a class. And as long as we kept our grades up we were not forced to attend all our classes. This really made it easier on the teachers. Smaller class,more attention! Why would an A student have to be in class? Why punish a good student?
you don't get to make the rules, your son doesn't get to decide which rules to follow and which ones he can break. what were the rules 30 years ago is meaningless, and your side rants make me understand why nobody there wanted to deal with you this time, they've probably tired of listening to your nonsense.
I say bravo to school's leaders they tried to teach your son an important life lesson, breaking the rules has consequences, too bad you are subverting the kids education
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Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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, that for leaving campus (AWOL) we were issued warnings and then a two-day vacation. There definitely is more to the story and I would advise his dad to keep pushing for an answer. Is he not allowed to graduate and being expelled or is he not being allowed to walk at graduation? Those are two different things here. Maybe they think not being able to walk at graduation is an honor he doesn't deserve right now and is a just punishment?
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