Moving to historic district springfield in jacksonville !!! (St. Augustine: insurance, coop)

[JBtwinz]

Originally Posted by jsimms3

It sounds like jbtwinz and mississippimagnolia are trying to make political/emotional statements by saying the residents in Springfield need to get over themselves and their invisible walls. You two need to come in and set an example of that before you start preaching how to revitalize an urban area.

We have one person (I'm really not trying to pick on her right now) who lives in a gated community in PVB saying that it needs to happen block by block and then on the other hand we have another (who lives on Amelia Island) saying it needs to expand the boundaries and happen wherever and another person (who I don't know where she lives but I think somewhere in the burbs) saying that Springfield just doesn't measure up to Georgetown.

I don't live in Springfield and I still comment on it, but I can't claim to know how best to go about making the neighborhood a better place to live for families. I imagine those on the ground living there would know best and are already implementing those "procedures". I don't think you guys should even be allowed to comment on the Springfield thread preaching how it should be done and how it's not being done right and how other cities are doing it better when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and you don't even live in Duval County.

The reason why progress in Springfield has taken longer than say progress in other neighborhoods in other cities is because Springfield started so much lower than other neighborhoods and other neighborhoods in other cities have more political backing than Springfield (as evidenced by all the detractors on this very forum). Also, this is a test project for Jacksonville.

Atlanta, GA had to learn how to enact a tax increment districts from other cities and started its TAD program in the past decade. Really, we must do the same for Springfield if we are going to speed up the process.

And like I said, having a "Historic District" is a start. People do not want to be the "pioneers" too far away from the area that has been cleaned up. Once the historic district is completely fixed up and purged of crack heads (which the latter part is mostly true already), then people will expand outward from there. But you guys knew this, you are just trying to get under people's skin. You are turning the Springfield thread into a platform to spout your grievances. I call that hijacking.

Wow, so much hate, ridicule and contempt for others opinions and suggestions. We have friends living just outside the "Springfield Historic Square Mile" and we have been involved in helping to provide financing for multiple renovation projects. It has been tough going and revitalization is not happening over night nor has it happened at the pace it should have over the last 20 years. We need to be concerned with all of Springfields revitalization attempts as it will take more than a square mile to provide the infrastructure it needs. Comercial interests need to be encouraged to come back with incentives. I never said to change the boundry's of the historic district, I am just concerned with those living across the street or a few blocks over, this should be addressed also and encouraged to grow. Your so called crack heads as you say, where do want them to go, across the street?

I have been in this area for over 20 years and I guess that gives me a little insight in regards to this area.

[FlyiMetro]

lol smh

[fsu813]

Originally Posted by JBtwinz

Wow, so much hate, ridicule and contempt for others opinions and suggestions. We have friends living just outside the "Springfield Historic Square Mile" and we have been involved in helping to provide financing for multiple renovation projects. It has been tough going and revitalization is not happening over night nor has it happened at the pace it should have over the last 20 years. We need to be concerned with all of Springfields revitalization attempts as it will take more than a square mile to provide the infrastructure it needs. Comercial interests need to be encouraged to come back with incentives. I never said to change the boundry's of the historic district, I am just concerned with those living across the street or a few blocks over, this should be addressed also and encouraged to grow. Your so called crack heads as you say, where do want them to go, across the street?

I have been in this area for over 20 years and I guess that gives me a little insight in regards to this area.

hey heres a map from metrojacksonville.com. the RED is the historic district-

the neghborhood has boundaries and they are what they are. and since noone spends time in the areas directly west, east or north of the neighborhood - sure send all the bad guys overthere. that's what has already happened. although the boundaries may be "invisible" to you, everyone knows what they are and that the areas are different from one another. those other neighborhoods need to make change like the Historic district has done. if they dont oh well - they can live with thier low quality of life and I can live with my high quality of life. the Historic district has a 15 year head start on them so if the wanna catch up they better start soon!

[JBtwinz]

True, just like Fort Apache the Bronx, do not venture out.

[fsu813]

(ha) More like they don't have much to offer your typical, middle-class person. So there's little point of visiting. Can't think of reason.

Joseph's Pizza, Pasco Hardware, and An Olde Time Hardware are three noteable exceptions.

Other than those.....what's in those other neighborhoods for me or my wife, or my friends?



Oh, btw -

Neighbors helping Neighbors as part of the "Preservation SOS" projects (where long-time, low income neighborhood residents are helped with exterior home maintenance/beautification projects)






http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs583.ash2/150548_1672292057098_1531307631_1637696_3906087_n. jpg (broken link)

[KerryB]

Every neighborhood has boundaries. All of them. Hell, even where I live in the 'burbs has nice, upper middle class homes & shopping. Then just down the road are trailer parks & old abandoned gas stations. Areas that are in more urban settings have even more of this type of spottiness. It's nothing new & it's just the way it is.

I think a lot of people in this thread are either way out of touch & have been living in some closed off, segregated area for far too long or are just trying to ruffle some feathers. Just shut up already, geez. Stop being an instigator with stupid irrelevant arguments just for the sake of arguing. God damn.

[fsu813]

Check out this home grown, grassroots, soon-to-be-institution that's sprung up the neighborhood:

Zombie Bikes ( a bike co-op) : Zombie Bikes Brings Bicycles Back From the Dead | mySpringfield

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs207.ash2/46983_655789141392_25110085_37432962_1726715_n.jpg (broken link)

they fix bikes for free, can build you a new one from scratch, and organize a bunch of crazy things like this:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs551.snc3/30172_625704226802_25110085_36434931_7924770_n.jpg (broken link)


but also teach kids the fundamentals of bike safety and maintenance, like this:



Thier website: ZOMBIE BIKES

The full article: Zombie Bikes Brings Bicycles Back From the Dead | mySpringfield

and The full photo gallery:
http://myspringfield.smugmug.com/gallery/14150413_Qtdno#1045718106_PA9hR

[Robyn55]

Did anyone read that website? I don't think things like this (it was posted on 3/24/10 in the entry "Porn! Bikes! Now that's what I call a good time") are very "kid friendly":

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mMOgoRDdmi...MomentumAd.jpg

FWIW - the website also has references to violence and excessive drinking. Again - not great stuff for kids. Robyn

[KerryB]

Originally Posted by Robyn55

Did anyone read that website? I don't think things like this (it was posted on 3/24/10 in the entry "Porn! Bikes! Now that's what I call a good time") are very "kid friendly":

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mMOgoRDdmi...MomentumAd.jpg

FWIW - the website also has references to violence and excessive drinking. Again - not great stuff for kids. Robyn

As long as they're not bringing any of those references into the schools with them, who cares? What, do we all have to have a strictly PG rating now in our lives to ever be able do anything with kids whatsoever?? Thats pretty stupid, Robyn. Even for you.

Anyways, looks like they're really young kids who probably don't go online anyway. Even if they did, it's up to their parents to regulate that stuff. It's not anyone else's responsibility to look after what your kids see. Yeah, I know, shocker.

[fsu813]

Actually, this photo:



is in the Downtown Main Library, not a school (the Main Library has a A++ kids area).

I think they're smart enough to keep inappropriate topics away from children, don't you think? =)