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Old 08-12-2010, 09:37 PM
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Neither, both will be expensive to maintain and both have horrible reliability.
Not a helpful post and you lack reading skills. I am comparing these two cars to *each other*, not to other cars. I am not looking for a boring Toyota appliance, even for a beater car. A handful of people I know have had zero problems with their Xtypes, and service is cheap since parts are shared with Ford. Please only post if you have something of value to add.

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On the Jag engine, both the 2.5 and 3.0 are nothing more than a version of Ford's Duratec motors of the same displacement. They are more similar to the Mazda versions than the Fords as they incorporate variable valve timing. There are also a few other differences, but mainly related to the materials used.

If I had to pick between these two for the more reliable ride, I would go with the Jag, but the latest model year my budget could swing.
Thanks for the post, that helps. The fact that it uses a modified Ford duratec is a huge plus for me.
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Old 08-12-2010, 10:34 PM
 
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Don't waste the time with either of these maintenance headaches, especially for winter cars.

I've had 9 hard winters with Audi A4's in the mountains of Colorado and PA. What a stress reliever to have a car that was reliable in the most difficult conditions and I never had to worry going to work at 4 AM in a snowstorm or doing the same coming home at 1 AM in the morning. Especially with good snow tires, just about unstoppable.

This year I got caught in the big snowstorm that hit the mid atlantic and where I was, it dumped 30 inches of heavy wet snow overnight. The hotel I was staying at, when I checked in, the lady said park all the way at the back because the snow plow was coming through the parking lot. The next morning when I had to go to the job site, of course the lot had not been plowed. In any other ordinary car, I had no chance. With Quattro and Blizzaks I made short work of the 30 inches of snow and bulldozed right through and even made it down county roads to the job site. Everyone was amazed I got there as they all had to ride on the plow truck.

So don't goof around and get a A4 or A6 Quattro with good snow tires and be done with it.
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Old 08-13-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Don't waste the time with either of these maintenance headaches, especially for winter cars.
Your Audi doens't have a stellar reputaion for relaibility and maintenance ease, either.

My own Range Rover has ALSO been pretty much maintenence free (needed new spark plug wires at 60k, and tires and battery at 70k miles) and tackled that midatlantic snow just fine, as well, easily making it's own trails in unplowed roads.

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Old 08-13-2010, 10:30 AM
 
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Already have a few sports cars, the Corvette I drive in basically warm weather. However, I'm looking for a car that I can use in the winter or on bad days for short trips. This car won't be used very much, maybe 4-5k miles a year. The car will also have to be 4WD or AWD.

I'm looking to spend around $15k, and my two top choices right now are an Jaguar X-Type or Land Rover Discovery. Both would be around the 2004 model year with about 50k miles.

Which would you choose and what would be the pros and cons of each in your opinion? Which would likely have better reliability?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-13-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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for the 15K get a 05-06 ford Explorer XLT with a 4.6 SOHC V8 it is durable easy to fix and find parts for and is pretty much the same overall size as the land rover and the 4x4 has a true low-range in case you need it in super deep snow.
http://eagletribune.autoconx.com/photos/356/500157356_1_B.jpg (broken link)
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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Your Audi doens't have a stellar reputaion for relaibility and maintenance ease, either.

My own Range Rover has ALSO been pretty much maintenence free (needed new spark plug wires at 60k, and tires and battery at 70k miles) and tackled that midatlantic snow just fine, as well, easily making it's own trails in unplowed roads.
Ranger Rovers reliability varies GREATLY across type and model year...also, a sample size of 1 or 2 vehicles isn't helpful to someone buying one.

In fairness, the Jag from around the 2004 model years is going to ON AVERAGE a lot more reliable than the 2004 RR's.

Also, most manufacturers have issues with new models the first few years....but the RR's I think are even more pronounced.

So, there is a gulf of quality difference between say....the 2004 and even 2006 or 2007 model RR's.
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:17 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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At least there's no question the X-type can handle snow.


YouTube - Top Gear - X Type Jaguar in the snow - BBC
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: NYC & NJ
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Pls don't introduce Top Gear into any serious discussion of automobiles. On second thought, since the question is whether to buy an X-type over a Disco, I'm not entirely sure this is a serious discussion of automobiles
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Old 08-13-2010, 12:13 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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I gave him my serious 2c already.. any excuse for Top Gear is good enough if you ask me.
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Old 08-13-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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Your Audi doens't have a stellar reputaion for relaibility and maintenance ease, either.
So they say. I think there are a few weak points that need maintenance such as the timing belt and the control arms, but it is what it is. The one I have now has 134K on it and only in the past year I have I done anything to it outside what regular maintenance calls for.

It can't be beat in the snowy conditions and putting 5K to 6K a year on it, I don't think you have much to worry about unless you purchase a ragged one.
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