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Old 09-26-2011, 06:57 AM
 
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Jaguar has been knocking them out of the park the last few years. Of all the cars I can't afford, Jag would be on the short list I'd like to own.
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Old 09-26-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Cool, something I and 99.9% of people can't afford in this great economy. When's the new Enzo come out?
You might be able to afford one used later, however.

I always pay attention to cars I like regardless of the price point new, as I tend to buy cars like that used after they come down in price. For example, I bought a BMW 740iL a few years back. New, the car stickered for $75k and was unaffordable. But I bought it for under a tenth of it's new price, so how affordable or not it was new was of zero importance. I bought it because I liked it and had liked it since it was new and unaffordable.

This Jag could be the same thing. I was looking at the '01-03 versions of the XK. new, again they were $70-80k, but used, they were $10-12k, making what was once unaffordable, now affordable. If you like this new jag, give it 10 years and it wil be affordable.
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Old 09-26-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Uh, Jags aren't built in India, they're designed, engineered and built in Britain.
They are designed by the folks that own the company which is Tata Motors. Doesn't matter who turns the wrenchs or where, **** poor engineering and sloppy designs are just that. Tata doesn't have a stellar reputation of building anything quality. Their vehicles reputation is just a few clicks above a Yugo. While it may be a decent looking design, the sheetmetal will out live the the crappy engineering that they are known for, and that you can take to the bank.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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They are designed by the folks that own the company which is Tata Motors. Doesn't matter who turns the wrenchs or where, **** poor engineering and sloppy designs are just that. Tata doesn't have a stellar reputation of building anything quality. Their vehicles reputation is just a few clicks above a Yugo. While it may be a decent looking design, the sheetmetal will out live the the crappy engineering that they are known for, and that you can take to the bank.
I don't know your sources but you should drop them and find better ones. Jaguar dots everything in house. Engineering, production, design etc, all happen in the uk in their locations. Tata is just the owner.

Are ferraris just useless fiats too? Lamborghini just a middle of the pack german econobox?

Just cause one company items another does not mean they necessarily take over everything, and Jags are, for the first time in a while, a british made brand. But yes, owned by an indian.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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They are designed by the folks that own the company which is Tata Motors. Doesn't matter who turns the wrenchs or where, **** poor engineering and sloppy designs are just that. Tata doesn't have a stellar reputation of building anything quality. Their vehicles reputation is just a few clicks above a Yugo. While it may be a decent looking design, the sheetmetal will out live the the crappy engineering that they are known for, and that you can take to the bank.
You really do not know what you're talking about, do you? Tata put money into Jaguar, but they have zero to do with the engineering of the cars or the building of them.

Seriously learn something or shut up.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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I wouldn't call it zero. From what I've read, Tata is pretty hands off with Jaguar's day-to-day operations. Then again, they did recently oust the CEO and put in another one. They're certainly not just a big check book with no say in business decisions. They're involved in the bigger strategy decisions of opening/closing/expanding factories, greenlighting the LR Evoque. The current Jag lineup is all Ford era, however... so yeah, they haven't had anything to with that. If the quality of the Jag XF isn't to you're liking, take that up with Ford who was NOT hands-off. I really don't see a lot to dislike there. Reliability has certianly never been Jag/LR's strong point. If anything, it's improved since Tata took ownership... but again, that's more to do with the last few years of Ford's ownership than anything Tata Jag/LR did or didn't do.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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I wouldn't call it zero. From what I've read, Tata is pretty hands off with Jaguar's day-to-day operations. Then again, they did recently oust the CEO and put in another one. They're certainly not just a big check book with no say in business decisions. They're involved in the bigger strategy decisions of opening/closing/expanding factories, greenlighting the LR Evoque. The current Jag lineup is all Ford era, however... so yeah, they haven't had anything to with that. If the quality of the Jag XF isn't to you're liking, take that up with Ford who was NOT hands-off. I really don't see a lot to dislike there. Reliability has certianly never been Jag/LR's strong point. If anything, it's improved since Tata took ownership... but again, that's more to do with the last few years of Ford's ownership than anything Tata Jag/LR did or didn't do.

Determining the top people in the organization is not the same as taking over engineering, as I'm sure you'll agree. The company was not overrun with Tata engineers and dsigners and aseembly line people, as it didnt' actually change locations. Tata will be using a lot of what they have bought in engineering expertise (especially in aluminum construction) in theri other lines. But it's not going to go the other way. We aren't going to be seeing a Jag badged Tata Nano ever.
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