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And another thing the mark of a highly skilled poker player is making money OVER TIME.It's not winning in one particular hand,round,day or tournament.Now lets compare poker to NBA basketball.In the regular season can the worst team in basketball beat the best team 2 out of 3, absolutely they can.Now can a highly skilled poker player sit at a table and have a terrible player take some of his money, absolutely that can happen.How about the NBA playoffs,dose the team with the best regular season record always win the championship, NO.Has an 8th seed ever won,nope but a sixth seed has (houston rockets).But most often is a higher than average seed that wins the chapionship.A big 5 day poker tournament is similar in effect.I would hazzard to say that the worst poker player to enter a large 5 day tournament has NEVER won or even gotten close to the finale table.By late day 5 the wheat has really been separated from the chaff.What you are left with is very solid tournament poker players.Do the best always win the tourny, no.But just like the nba finals its a preaty damm good player that wins.
Longtimebravesfan the rake comes out of every pot depending on size, the house gets that money.The rake is typicly 5-10% of the pot with the max set at 3,4 or 5 dollars depending on the cardroom.The player being employed by the casino to play is call a prop player.They are not trying to win for the cardroom or cheat.The primary job of a prop player is to play long enough in a short handed table so the table dosen't break up.Its a good thing for the cardroom to use prop players because it keeps more tables open.
And another thing the mark of a highly skilled poker player is making money OVER TIME.
If he is highly skilled and poker is a skilled based game, why does he have to wait to make his money OVER TIME? If he is so highly skilled, he should make a ton in one night, every night. That tells you right there, that luck plays a major role.
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It's not winning in one particular hand,round,day or tournament
Of course not..because luck is a huge factor.
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Now lets compare poker to NBA basketball.In the regular season can the worst team in basketball beat the best team 2 out of 3, absolutely they can.Now can a highly skilled poker player sit at a table and have a terrible player take some of his money, absolutely that can happen.
nice try..but you shot your credibility again. You`re comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing a pro TEAM against another pro TEAM then comparing that to a pro poker player against a novice. So let`s set you straight again. First, poker is a not a team game. In basketball, a poor player can affect the whole team. So let`s keep it one on one, shall we. So, can a novice basketball player beat a professional player in a one on one game...of course not. Why? Because skill is heavily involved in basketball. Now, can a novice poker player beat a pro poker player? Of course he can. Why? Because poker is a heavily based on luck. Once again, see the difference when you compare apples to apples?
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How about the NBA playoffs,dose the team with the best regular season record always win the championship, NO.Has an 8th seed ever won,nope but a sixth seed has (houston rockets).But most often is a higher than average seed that wins the chapionship.A big 5 day poker tournament is similar in effect.I would hazzard to say that the worst poker player to enter a large 5 day tournament has NEVER won or even gotten close to the finale table.By late day 5 the wheat has really been separated from the chaff.What you are left with is very solid tournament poker players.Do the best always win the tourny, no.But just like the nba finals its a preaty damm good player that wins.
See above. Your argument is baseless because you are comparing a TEAM game to an individual game. So once again, let`s compare apples to apples. Take any individual game or sport where it is heavily based on skill and compare that to poker, which YOU say is based heavily on skill. There is no comparison. As I and a couple of others have tried to point out to you, the skilled player will ALWAYS win against a novice in a game that is heavily based on skill...ALWAYS. Let me say it again..ALWAYS. In poker, that is not the case. A novice player can win a fair amount of time. A pro basketball player doesn`t have to play a novice player a hundred times to gain an advantage. He can win any day any night any time. Because he is not relying on odds,chance, or anything else. It is solely skill versus skill and nothing else. Well, maybe a little luck
I`ll say this again, I`m not insuating that there is no skill involved in poker at all. Some others have, but I haven`t. So if you want to argue with them on that particular issue, then go ahead. You seem to want to argue that point with me only, for some reason.What I am saying is that poker is a based heavily on luck with some skill involved. When you compare that to any other one on one game that requires 99% skill, you can clearly see the difference.
Chess..pro wins every time
tennis..pro wins every time
basketball...pro wins every time
swimming...pro wins every time
ping pong...pro wins every time
poker....pro loses a lot of times
If you can`t see that and understand the difference, then you would rather just appear ignorant than admit your wrong. But the scenarios above say it all as far as skill vs luck.
And you are also ingnoring my point that the worst poker players that enter large tournaments never even get close to the final table.In order to win a poker tournament you have to be able to play it very well.Have you observed bad to average poker players play.I have for 8 years.They lose and lose often.Not only do they lose they lose fast.The winners its a slow grind,once in awile they win fast and of course they lose but its slow.
Poker is NOT a game of skill, as Vader self-admittedly states by saying it's a game of probabilities.
If you have to rely on probabilities, then luck(uncertainty) is the main force acting on the system.
I do get that using statistics can be considered a skill.
Though in Vader's defense, a one-on-one game with a NBA pro isn't analogous to a poker game.
More like a foul shot. Yes, the pro will still probably kick your ass, but there are amateurs who could certainly shoot better free-throws than a professional NBA guy and do so consistently.
My point is that it isn't as cut-and-dry and both sides present it. Though by pure logic it MUST be reasoned that poker is a game of luck if you are relying on statistics to guide your decisions.
In response to the original intent of this post, I am wondering why you wouldn't put professional poker player on your resume? That seems like a worthy occupation and definitely highlights risk-management and math skills.
If you are statistically likely to win a hand 60% of the time, and lose it 40% of the time, over a large sample you can reasonably expect to make money. Over a large sample it's not a gamble, it's an investment.
You don't even have to think of situations like these under a poker context...what do you think day trading is?
Luck has nothing to do with it.
The skill in poker comes from knowing how likely you are to make money in any situation...it's harder than it looks.
People like Phil Ivey have made millions playing poker...are you going to tell me that he's simply "luckier" than the rest of us mere human beings?
How viable an income poker can provide, how consistently you can profit, that's debatable. Maybe the profit margins are so small so as not to mean much for most people. Maybe most people are gambling. But the profit margins exist for those who know what they're doing.
how can you be "likely" to win 60% of the time?
That is a nonsensical statement. You are "likely" to "likely win". LMAO.
There is no mathematical model that properly captures uncertain ("lucky") systems.. hello... that's why our economy collapsed... and completely proves my point that it is luck, because it didn't stand the test of time.
Yes, the profit margins existed until 2007... when these Wall St. narcissistic "poker players" hedge fund managers who thought they could beat the system either got their ass handed to them or got bailouts from us.
It's all just runs of luck... even your idols, the day-traders.
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What I am saying is that poker is a based heavily on luck with some skill involved. When you compare that to any other one on one game that requires 99% skill, you can clearly see the difference. 