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And you don't have a problem with this? See, I thought the whole thing was to test for "illegal" drugs. That was how the bill of good was sold to the naive sheep. Apparently that was just a lie, which most of us knew off the bat. Do you want to tell us what prescriptions you are taking?
I agree! Dillard's employees received a letter recently from the EEOC that they have filed a federal court case against the store claiming that the company violated the American's with Disabilities Act. The settlement covers allegations that Dillard's violated the ADA when it asked employees to reveal private health info in order to excuse a work absence. Why wouldn't this be the case for revealing private health info for a drug test?
Now I have always maintained that dangerous job categories are in their right to drug test, but the test for MJ is flawed when tests for other drugs only register if use was in a day or few; MJ can test positive (we are told) for months in some cases. Someone sitting behind a desk in most call centers aren't a risk. Yet we accept this practice? I don't!
The anti-drug stuff is new, relatively speaking.
Ironically, what have people from this new era done? That answer would be "nothing".
If you look at computers, hi-tech and all the advancements that have turned the masses into the mindless lumps they are today, those innovations came from people who's rise was through the drug addled boomer era of the 60's and 70's.
In my first jobs, people drank and smoked pot all the time. In the 70's, Your teacher did, your priest did and your parents might have. I can doubly, triply assure you --that the work ethic the "druggies" knew back in the 70's is gone in todays clean and degreed corporate mindset. My job has a new rule of only hiring young, degreed individuals. They text and whine all day long about stuff a normal 40+ person wouldnt even consider thinking about. All this knowledge and clean life style gives our company an army of malaise that strives toward mediocrity all the way up to 2:00 in the afternoon
Stand up for freedom, absolutely! The body not only has endorphins, it has endocannabinoids.
Ancient peoples used for valid medical and cultural reasons. Marijuana is a better medicine than
a lot of hard drugs like Prozac, which has lead to suicidal/homicidal thoughts. Big Pharma is a
powerful lobby, and they are getting away with bogus treatments because of $$$. Beer sees pot as
a competitor and spends $$$ on lobbyists as well.
As for the Insurance/Police mafia, 'They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.' and that's Ben Franklin!
I dont care about working for urine-testers, I think they are WRONG. Read 'smoke signals' and wonder about the tyranny Nixon & J. Edgar Hoover started.
Since the OP's organization provides so much advance notice and so many repeated, specific reminders, it would appear that the test when it is given is not so much a drug test as it is an intelligence test. Maybe so many people fail it simply because they're too stupid to make the connection between cause and effect.
Where I work, all new production employees KNOW the following; For their first 45 days they will work through a "Temp" agency, if they are late or miss a day during those 45 days they will be gone. IF, after the 45 days it is decided to hire them they MUST go for a physical and drug test, if both are passed they are hired but will be on probation for another 45 days, if they are late or miss during those 45 days they are gone. Those facts KNOWN, we lose a large percentage for the drug test and more for the attendance rule. I have heard a lot of "I don't do drugs, so I don't have to worry" by those that go and fail the test, it is amazing. Most of the failed drug tests are due to Marijuana ... Can't you go 45 days without getting high? Unless you are a crazy heavy user, your level would be below the trigger for a fail if you stayed clean for the 45 days. There are no surprise drug tests, the only other time you are subject to testing is if you are involved in an accident at work, and all parties involved are tested(this is a worker's comp requirement).
There is nothing wrong with smoking a little marijuana while not at work on your own time. Just don't be under the influence while on company time. These drug tests are about restricting the freedoms and controlling the employees on their off time. Period.
I think a lot of people apply for jobs just for the hell of it. Kind of the shotgun approach, toss my entry in the hat and see what happens. You never know when an employer might bite.
There is nothing wrong with smoking a little marijuana while not at work on your own time. Just don't be under the influence while on company time. These drug tests are about restricting the freedoms and controlling the employees on their off time. Period.
It isn't a hat that you can just take off. Long term use of cannabis can have all sorts of detrimental effects especially on the brain. Most companies would prefer employees that aren't slowly wrecking their brains with junk.
I'm always torn on this issue. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with marijuana and it's use should not be grounds for being fired or not hired.. on the other hand common sense would dictate that if you want the job bad enough, you stop smoking for long enough to pass the drug test... and don't do dumb stuff like posting yourself smoking pot on facebook, because ultimately nobody cares anyways and everybody does it, so all you do is hurt your future prospects....
Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol, and there are people where I work that are just plain and simple drunks... they call in late because they are hung over and get away with it because alcohol is legal. It's kind of silly/stupid actually. A DUI is not something you want to get either... if it's on your record you will not get hired here... that part I do understand though... but I'll never understand the 'drug war' we still have going on. Need to get some of these old fashioned folks to die off and maybe things will change in that regard.
I'm sure this has been discussed here before but I didn't see the topic in a thread title. We hire 20-30 people every month, and this month we had 3 people out of 21 terminated during orientation for failing their drug tests. It just made me wonder, did they really want a job? I don't think so.
Our website says we have a pre-employment physical with drug screening. Candidates are told that when they come for a first interview. They are told again if they come for a second interview. If they get through the second interview and we want them, they are sent for the physical. Depending on the timing, they might come in to start orientation before the test results come in. Usually we get the results before the start of orientation. But his month, unfortunately, the results came in during the first day of training. Then these 3 jokers had to be escorted out of training. At least two had the decency to look ashamed. One looked indifferent.
From the time they apply, unfortunately, it could take 3 weeks minimum before they start orientation. It usually takes longer, several weeks, to get through the two interviews the background checks, etc.
So if you want a job, just, like, stop using drugs for a month or so, okay? Most drugs are out of your system much quicker. But only maybe cannabis, PCP and methadone can take up to 30 days, and only if you are a really heavy user. So if these people had actually stopped smoking pot the day they sent in their resume, they would probably have passed the drug tests (this month all 3 were + for cannabis, other months we see cocaine, amphetamines, and opiates.)
Testing positive for illicit drugs should never be a surprise. You KNOW when you're gonna come up positive. Maybe once in a blue moon someone gets "slipped" a drug, or they fall victim to the old poppy seed bagel thing, but really, you KNOW when you've used drugs. There are lots of exceptions that are allowed, like if you can prove you have a prescription for an amphetamine for ADHD, or an opiate for pain, and now even for bona fide medical marijuana in some states. But that isn't the case with the job candidates we get who test positive.
So what are people thinking? Is applying for jobs and going to interviews just a form of "fun" when you know you aren't going to get the job? Don't they screen people on Unemployment for drugs? Maybe they don't, and it's just easier to keep smoking weed and not work?
I know this isn't true of the majority of unemployed people, and this should probably anger people on unemployment more than it angers me, since it adds to the stereotype of people on unemployment being lazy. It should also tick off the unemployed, because these people took up the interview slots that you didn't get.
I just don't get what these people were thinking. Maybe they tried all those tricks to beat the test (which never seem to work), but I still think it would have been easier and wiser to just not smoke weed for a month.
Now we have 3 additional open positions that have to be filled again, which means time and expense for recruiting, interviewing, background checking, physical exams and drug testing, all over again. These people cost us all money. I sort of wish they'd just stay home and not apply for jobs. I mean really, what's the point?
Two suggestions:
#1: Do not start Orientation Class until AFTER the drug tests are in so you have the true, final count of new employees and if 2-3 have failed, you can hopefully take a few more of the applicants you had gotten, drug test them and put them in the class so you have a full class.
#2: Use the more precise hair tests instead of just the urine testing. That gives you a much truer profile of the individual you are considering hiring and I think it catches drugs the person has used for 6 months to a year. Reason being the really hard drugs get out of the system faster (as you wrote). I think it's more important to catch and eliminate the heroin, meth freaks and cocaine addicts than the simple potheads in your midst who are going to be entrusted with dealing with your patients. Sadly, the urine testing mainly catches soft users like potheads, who are mainly harmless, and only catches the most indiscreet of the more dangerous hard drug users who cannot even quit for a few days.
If the drug use has nothing to do with the job, it shouldn't be relevant, mainly because many drugs are similar in composition in those looked for as bad drugs.
I'm sure this has been discussed here before but I didn't see the topic in a thread title. We hire 20-30 people every month, and this month we had 3 people out of 21 terminated during orientation for failing their drug tests. It just made me wonder, did they really want a job? I don't think so.
Our website says we have a pre-employment physical with drug screening. Candidates are told that when they come for a first interview. They are told again if they come for a second interview. If they get through the second interview and we want them, they are sent for the physical. Depending on the timing, they might come in to start orientation before the test results come in. Usually we get the results before the start of orientation. But his month, unfortunately, the results came in during the first day of training. Then these 3 jokers had to be escorted out of training. At least two had the decency to look ashamed. One looked indifferent.
From the time they apply, unfortunately, it could take 3 weeks minimum before they start orientation. It usually takes longer, several weeks, to get through the two interviews the background checks, etc.
So if you want a job, just, like, stop using drugs for a month or so, okay? Most drugs are out of your system much quicker. But only maybe cannabis, PCP and methadone can take up to 30 days, and only if you are a really heavy user. So if these people had actually stopped smoking pot the day they sent in their resume, they would probably have passed the drug tests (this month all 3 were + for cannabis, other months we see cocaine, amphetamines, and opiates.)
Testing positive for illicit drugs should never be a surprise. You KNOW when you're gonna come up positive. Maybe once in a blue moon someone gets "slipped" a drug, or they fall victim to the old poppy seed bagel thing, but really, you KNOW when you've used drugs. There are lots of exceptions that are allowed, like if you can prove you have a prescription for an amphetamine for ADHD, or an opiate for pain, and now even for bona fide medical marijuana in some states. But that isn't the case with the job candidates we get who test positive.
So what are people thinking? Is applying for jobs and going to interviews just a form of "fun" when you know you aren't going to get the job? Don't they screen people on Unemployment for drugs? Maybe they don't, and it's just easier to keep smoking weed and not work?
I know this isn't true of the majority of unemployed people, and this should probably anger people on unemployment more than it angers me, since it adds to the stereotype of people on unemployment being lazy. It should also tick off the unemployed, because these people took up the interview slots that you didn't get.
I just don't get what these people were thinking. Maybe they tried all those tricks to beat the test (which never seem to work), but I still think it would have been easier and wiser to just not smoke weed for a month.
Now we have 3 additional open positions that have to be filled again, which means time and expense for recruiting, interviewing, background checking, physical exams and drug testing, all over again. These people cost us all money. I sort of wish they'd just stay home and not apply for jobs. I mean really, what's the point?
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Maybe they're optimists?
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