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With the holidays coming up, it seems like a good idea to apply for retail. I was going to apply to Nordstroms, Saks Fifth Ave., Barneys and the other high end retail stores. I used Hoovers and Dun&Bradstreet to compile a list of the high enders.You know, the ones where they want to hire people who look presentable and speak English since the customer base, is well clearly the 1%? But since it's commission only, no, I don't think I will. Their turnover is probably phenomenal. And what's the commission percentage anyway? How does that work? I don't think it's worth it.
I say, job search "cold style", as mentioned above in my previous response. Use online directories to locate names, emails, fax numbers: Hoovers, DunBradstreet, MartindaleHubbell, etc. Go to the business section of the library and pull some paper bound directories. Old School Style. Yep. Before the Recession style. There's a plethora of corporate public info online and on paper. Get to them before they advertise online or on the website, with the crazy Taleos. I'm a former NYC litigation paralegal and NY state realtor; I can tell you about research and locating companies and then some. ~!!~ ~Hello!!
The cold style is not a good one since most people will only want to talk to you if you know someone they know.
It's better to apply to jobs that only require you to email your cover letter and resume directly to someone instead of messing around with online applications.
I agree most stores aren't like that though that are looking for holiday help. It's more work applying for for a part time holiday retail job than a full time corporate accounting job. Wtf?
I agree most stores aren't like that though that are looking for holiday help. It's more work applying for for a part time holiday retail job than a full time corporate accounting job. Wtf?
The cold style is not a good one since most people will only want to talk to you if you know someone they know.
BS. That's your opinion. I've gotten hired that way before and will continue trying to get hired that way. I have gotten hired for 3 permanent jobs that way. You waste less time this way than applying to 100 online applications/Taleos. You stand a better chance of getting a human to view your resume. I've never known anybody at any company before applying. If I knew someone at a company I would never need to apply. I would get hired without any formal procedures like applications, resumes or tests. That only happened once to me where I got hired by "knowing someone." You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Everyone else can decide what they want to do. I don't collect commissions from giving advice so it makes no difference to me.
BS. That's your opinion. I've gotten hired that way before and will continue trying to get hired that way. I have gotten hired for 3 permanent jobs that way. You waste less time this way than applying to 100 online applications/Taleos. You stand a better chance of getting a human to view your resume. I've never known anybody at any company before applying. If I knew someone at a company I would never need to apply. I would get hired without any formal procedures like applications, resumes or tests. That only happened once to me where I got hired by "knowing someone." You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Everyone else can decide what they want to do. I don't collect commissions from giving advice so it makes no difference to me.
I agree about the Taleos which is a waste of time. It's just that when I did cold style the person wasn't interested in chatting because I wasn't referred by anyone
I submitted my resume to about 15 companies that I found on INDEED. Out of that I had 4 companies call me for a first interview, which resulted in 3 companies asking me for a 2nd interview, which turned into one company offering me a job. I start December 10
I highly recommend Indeed. But I think the key is to write a cover letter that succinctly shows that you have the qualifications to do the job. And, tailor your resume to match their requirements--even using some of the same language that they use in the job description.
" It's just a wall to keep people out." YEP, there are so many people applying for jobs, these online databases and the new interview process are to find ways and reasons to NOT HIRE YOU. Most of the people applying are decent. I know by the time you get to a face to face interview this is the case.
You have 2 types of people on these unemployment forums: the complainers who just want to complain and feel justified, and those who bring up something negative in order to find a solution. Discussing a problem forces one to look for a solution. Yes, ATS's suck big time. I believe they were invented to screen people out.So why would I engage in an activity that is 90% likely to screen me out? Repeating something successively and not getting the desired result is dumb. Are you going to keep slamming yourself against this wall and getting without any results? Or are you going to look for alternative ways to actually getting that result!! ~!!~
I actually judge a company by whether they have "Taleos" on their website or not. Do I want to work for such a needlessly regimented company that relies on text reading robots? They're going to lose a lot of fantastic applicants and just end up with mediocre "gamers" who in reality will be nothing like their "gamed" applications. They probably won't last, and are just job hopping all over the map.
LinkedIn & Indeed scored a few phone interviews. I sent off my resume to the top 3 people in over 25 companies. I got a call or email from everyone of them. The CEO, COO or CFO may not call but they can send your resume direct to the hiring authority. Ive even had a few that passed on my resume to another company. My current gig was made thru connections but they resulted from this method.
LinkedIn & Indeed scored a few phone interviews. I sent off my resume to the top 3 people in over 25 companies. I got a call or email from everyone of them. The CEO, COO or CFO may not call but they can send your resume direct to the hiring authority. Ive even had a few that passed on my resume to another company. My current gig was made thru connections but they resulted from this method.
Of course. So obviously there IS life outside of applicant tracking systems. Some make the ats sound like it's the Absolute Godhead.
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So obviously there IS life outside of applicant tracking systems. Some make the ats sound like it's the Absolute Godhead.
