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Run, don't walk. I'm sure you can find something better.
The best they said they will do is send me a letter saying they are hiring me - no position or salary listed at all. So instead of paying me $X for position Y, they could pay me $30,000 to be a janitor (which is honorable work, but it's not what I applied for).
Thanks for everyones' feedback on this. I'm going to turn it down I think.
I just had a long conversation with HR. They said I just need to trust them and they insinuated the only reason I want an offer letter is to use as a counter offer. They said that I am not allowed to have any printed records of my salary or position info and that I can only ask HR people about it.
They are really *******s. Employers always afraid of something. Every day a new fear or obsession for something. I would call the hiring manager (not HR) and explain the situation. They have to send offers if they want to hire. Period.
Even you turn it down, I would still write a letter to the hiring manager and CEO and explain that what they do is absurd.
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Originally Posted by jaypee
FWIW, I'm in Silicon valley and I've never encountered a company, small or big, that doesn't send out an offer letter (email or snail) with the terms of employment and start date.
That's not that kind of job. Silicon Valley is different then everywhere else in the country.
I was verbally offered a job and salary, but I was told that they do not send official offer letters by mail. I was told I would get an email about what the next steps in the process are.
I do not know if they plan to include the salary information in the email, but I am not going to resign from my current position until they put the salary in writing in some form. Has anyone else heard of an organization doing things this way and do you think I am being reasonable? This is a first for me but I thought I would check in case this is now common.
Not really, the job I was offered mailed me the offer letter and then emailed me a copy. Never in my life have I heard of a company not sending a offer letter.
Not really, the job I was offered mailed me the offer letter and then emailed me a copy. Never in my life have I heard of a company not sending a offer letter.
That's strange. I've never worked at a job where I have gotten a letter. For me, I have always gotten the offer over the phone.
That works. Even if they send you a letter, the offer can be rescinded just as easily as if they had offered you the job some other way.
That's strange. I've never worked at a job where I have gotten a letter. For me, I have always gotten the offer over the phone.
That works. Even if they send you a letter, the offer can be rescinded just as easily as if they had offered you the job some other way.
I was offered the job over the phone, and then I was told the letter is on the way. Every job I had since 2000 always provided something in writing stating what my salary is and the start date. What kind of company doesn't send out a offer letter?
The best they said they will do is send me a letter saying they are hiring me - no position or salary listed at all. So instead of paying me $X for position Y, they could pay me $30,000 to be a janitor (which is honorable work, but it's not what I applied for).
Thanks for everyones' feedback on this. I'm going to turn it down I think.
That's BS. I have always gotten an offer letter from an employer.
I did get screwed over from one employer with a written offer, when I was young man. They had us sign agreements with a raise from $8.00/hr to $8.50/hr in 90 days. A week before my hiring class hit 90 days, they told us the original agreement was made in error by HR. They handed out new paperwork with no raise. If we did not sign it, we would be laid off.
If an employer is really does have a fear of a counter offer, you may be underselling your services. I would look for that higher paying company and negotiate a salary higher than your verbal offer.
I don't understand the "counter Offer" statement because the person usually knows what the salary is before the offer letter arrives. It's mentioned when the job is offered verbally and the written letter is just confirmation. A offer letter was never meant to be a "Suprise salary offer" lol
That's strange. I've never worked at a job where I have gotten a letter. For me, I have always gotten the offer over the phone.
That works. Even if they send you a letter, the offer can be rescinded just as easily as if they had offered you the job some other way.
I agree with you to an extent. I'm well aware that even a written offer can be rescinded at any time just as I could be terminated at any time. That's the nature of at-will employment and I am fine with that.
My concern is that I will accept the position at one salary level and once I start (and after I have quit my other job) they will claim that I was hired at a different salary since it was never in writing. They could always terminate me, but it would take a lot bigger stones to tell me they are going to pay me less if the original salary was in writing. I believe my concerns along these lines are valid too, because the verbal salary offer was $5000 lower than what they told me the low range over the phone would be. I understand not wanting to give an annual salary out of a fear of that being construed as an annual contract, but they could provide the compensation on a weekly or monthly basis to protect themselves from that.
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Originally Posted by oberon_1
Even you turn it down, I would still write a letter to the hiring manager and CEO and explain that what they do is absurd.
I already wrote the hiring manager and I will be writing a formal, hardcopy letter to the chief executive tomorrow. It won't help me, but he might not be aware the HR department operates this way.
P.S. This is not a greedy, profit mad corporation doing this either. This is a public organization funded by tax payer dollars.
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