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Old 06-26-2013, 01:04 PM
 
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I think a job seeker should always feel they are doing something wrong if they are not receiving calls because that you stay competitive and continue to try new and different job search strategies.
like i said before, there needs to be a balance between striving to improve and beating yourself up over something you can't control. you can acknowledge that there are things you have no control over without giving up. and you can acknowledge that you need to improve without thinking that every rejection is purely your fault.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:09 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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like i said before, there needs to be a balance between striving to improve and beating yourself up over something you can't control. you can acknowledge that there are things you have no control over without giving up. and you can acknowledge that you need to improve without thinking that every rejection is purely your fault.

As a job seeker you can't ever get to the point where you say...."i have done everything I can do and still no call backs"


Nope, try something else.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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whooooosh.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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What helps a lot finding a job is networking and maybe even knowing someone who works at the company you send the resume to. My wife got a job in a hospital only because her chiropractors wife knew someone there. The place is full of nepotism. If you don't know someone who works there, you're chances are slim of getting a job, even if you are qualified. IN North Carolina, it was really bad when it came to the school system. Even one of the locals told me that even if you were the best qualified but from somewhere else, they would probably hire a far less qualified local.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I think a job seeker should always feel they are doing something wrong if they are not receiving calls because that you stay competitive and continue to try new and different job search strategies.
There are things you control but there are things you cannot control. Even if you do everything perfect it may not work. You can have the right network connections, find out keywords, put job duties in the resume, mention them in the cover letter but you aren't the lucky one because of any number of issues. You could find about the job too late, too early, submit the application later in the day, submit the application when other people do so it gets bogged down, it goes through online but gets lost due to criteria issues, ect.

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As a job seeker you can't ever get to the point where you say...."i have done everything I can do and still no call backs"


Nope, try something else.
Yeah like the half of resume idea that only worked in your experience.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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The problems is that there are so many more applicants than positions available and employers need a way to reduce the number of applications that they have to go through. One way is to only call people who are currently employed. The assumption is that people who are currently employed are better workers than those who aren't (a dubious assumption, perhaps, but one that many hiring managers make).

One way to increase the response rate is to apply to jobs where there are relatively few other people applying. Jobs that get listed on craigs's list, careeer builder, indeed, etc. simply get flooded with applications, so I think I am going to focus entirely on jobs that are only listed on a company's website and not on a third party website.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The problems is that there are so many more applicants than positions available and employers need a way to reduce the number of applications that they have to go through. One way is to only call people who are currently employed. The assumption is that people who are currently employed are better workers than those who aren't (a dubious assumption, perhaps, but one that many hiring managers make).

One way to increase the response rate is to apply to jobs where there are relatively few other people applying. Jobs that get listed on craigs's list, careeer builder, indeed, etc. simply get flooded with applications, so I think I am going to focus entirely on jobs that are only listed on a company's website and not on a third party website.
However some like Kohl's only use these websites. The issue is because of the amount of potential employees, it is a crap shoot if you get a response or none. People can do everything right but because someone was a better candidate in some way (currently have a job, have all the criteria, have the most experience, ect.) It's not a cut and dry way of knowing how you can improve. You can be the great but if there is a candidate who is the best, the best typically wins out over the great candidate 9 times out of 10.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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However some like Kohl's only use these websites. The issue is because of the amount of potential employees, it is a crap shoot if you get a response or none. People can do everything right but because someone was a better candidate in some way (currently have a job, have all the criteria, have the most experience, ect.) It's not a cut and dry way of knowing how you can improve. You can be the great but if there is a candidate who is the best, the best typically wins out over the great candidate 9 times out of 10.
I generally agree but I would revise that to say "candidate who the hiring manager perceives to be the best." Hiring managers often times have no idea who is the best candidate and use stereotyping and gut instinct to make a hiring decision. Just because someone else was hired doesn't mean they are a better candidate for the job than you. In many cases, they are a worse choice.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:48 PM
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There are things you control but there are things you cannot control. Even if you do everything perfect it may not work. You can have the right network connections, find out keywords, put job duties in the resume, mention them in the cover letter but you aren't the lucky one because of any number of issues. You could find about the job too late, too early, submit the application later in the day, submit the application when other people do so it gets bogged down, it goes through online but gets lost due to criteria issues, ect.



Yeah like the half of resume idea that only worked in your experience.


It was a new strategy and it got a response.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It was a new strategy and it got a response.
Yeah though HR people on here suggested not to do it.
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