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[quote=fragglewaggle;1886882]To work as a fine jewelry retail associate at most chain stores, the applicant is subject to a background check and a credit check. He or she also has to take an honesty test and in many cases, a 'salesmanship' test. He or she also has to be bonded. So it's not as if there are no safeguards in place for the employer.
Frankly, I think it's a lot of bulls**t for a barely-above-minimum-wage job. The drug test was the deciding factor in me saying to myself, "You know what? It's just not worth it." There are plenty of employers who don't require an applicant to jump through a bunch of hoops just to be a low-paid wage slave.[/QUOTE]
If that's your attitude you are going to be a low paid wage slave for a long time...drug testing is more the norm now adays not the exception
As a college grad, I've held numerous white-collar, professional jobs, and was NEVER required to take a drug test for ANY of these positions, even though many of them involved cash-handling responsibilities.
I've also held part-time, low-paying retail gigs...and it's only these retail jobs that require drug testing.
I don't have any illegal subhstances or unregistered firearms or stolen property in my house - but do I want the police to be able to search without a warrant proving they have probable cause?
"Nothing to hide" is not a reason to surrender more power to authorities
Drug tests for people seeking employment is as much an invasion of privacy as having to go through metal detectors in a public airport or some other public building.
It's like saying someone joining the army today is being "drafted"....it's a choice....no one is making anyone take a drug test. 100% voluntary.
You may or may not be in agreement with the employer about the necessity of certain things, but at the end of the day, you have to decide just how badly you want the job. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face!
IMO, as long as it doesn't involve moral compromise etc. and I want the job, I would probably jump through their hoops. It's funny the things that bother us though. For one receptionist job, I was required to take an IQ test along with a drug test... after they had offered me the job. I felt that was a bit much but ... I took it!
While I am not sure that the person who shows up on Monday still hung over from Sunday's Football game is any better than someone who smoked a joint 3 weeks ago - it would be fine if I suspected an employee of doing illegal activities - it would be my right as their EMPLOYER to have an EMPLOYEE tested - an APPLICANT is not your EMPLOYEE - I think the rules are (or should be) different.
Employers offer money to people to do things as varied as painting barns, flying bombers and um.....dancing on stage around a pole. They can require them to wear chicken suits, execute people, jump motorcycles over flaming pits or flip hamburgers.
They can require the applicant to take drug tests, sign non-compete or confidentiality agreements, agree to keep their weight at a certain amount etc. etc. etc.
The applicant, like the girl that started this thread....doesn't have to do ANY of these things....it's 100% VOLUNTARY. As such, it's as much an invasion of privacy as a multi-million dollar athlete calling themselves a "slave".
As a college grad, I've held numerous white-collar, professional jobs, and was NEVER required to take a drug test for ANY of these positions, even though many of them involved cash-handling responsibilities.
I've also held part-time, low-paying retail gigs...and it's only these retail jobs that require drug testing.
So how'd you go from white collar jobs to being a jewelry salesman then? Not that there's anything wrong with jewelry sales...
While I am not sure that the person who shows up on Monday still hung over from Sunday's Football game is any better than someone who smoked a joint 3 weeks ago - it would be fine if I suspected an employee of doing illegal activities - it would be my right as their EMPLOYER to have an EMPLOYEE tested - an APPLICANT is not your EMPLOYEE - I think the rules are (or should be) different.
So what happens when you hire the applicant, drug test them on their first day and find class A substances flowing around in their brain? Then you have to go to all the trouble of firing them and then looking for new applicants again whereas if you just drug test the applicants before hiring them then you'll never have this problem. A drug test is no more an invasion of privacy than a background check and you seem to be fine with them.
If I knew that someone used drugs (be it a recreational user or a full on junkie) then I wouldn't want them in my company, full stop, rule off. Just because someone doesn't have a drugs conviction on their criminal record doesn't mean that they don't do drugs, it just means that they haven't been caught yet.
You're right. It wasn't worth it for me to schelp out to wherever the urinalysis was to take place, and try to squeeze out a sufficient quantity of urine for the test. I guess my complaint was that the drug test made me feel like I was 'guilty until proven innocent'.
More and more employers, of all types, are requiring drug testing as a condition of employment. Frankly, I cannot blame them. It is a matter of risk reduction for the employer.
While you certainly have the right to refuse to be tested (and I support that right), at the same time, the employer has the right to refuse to hire you (and, I support their right as well).
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