Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Except the aggressive time limit that causes few to be able to finish make it into a quasi-IQ test and other variables other than the ability to do math are introduced such as I mentioned exposure, test taking stategies etc.
Taking these tests is not simply about the math. It is about finding the candidates with good prioritization and time management skills- compeltely relevant skills for any job.
Using this crude test to measure that is like using a barometer and thermometer to make a 5 day forecast. It requires a total leap of logic to the point where it is Non sequitur. Something with the rubber ball analogy. Saying it shows how a candidate deals with curve balls is just a twisted stretch of logic. The ideal candidate's response should be to walk out of the interview and let you hire a clown.
The hiring process just seems to be where logic goes to die.
Using this crude test to measure that is like using a barometer and thermometer to make a 5 day forecast. It requires a total leap of logic to the point where it is Non sequitur. Something with the rubber ball analogy. Saying it shows how a candidate deals with curve balls is just a twisted stretch of logic. The ideal candidate's response should be to walk out of the interview and let you hire a clown.
The hiring process just seems to be where logic goes to die.
Just curious, how do you measure a candidate's time management and prioritization skills?
Except the aggressive time limit that causes few to be able to finish make it into a quasi-IQ test and other variables other than the ability to do math are introduced such as I mentioned exposure, test taking stategies etc.
Sorry, but the Wonderlic is trivially easy to finish within the allotted time even for someone, like me, of average intelligence.
Some people want to see how fast people can work. Some give tests specific to a knowledge area. Some are to see learning ability. Whether it's relevant or not is dependent on a number of things.
Sorry, but the Wonderlic is trivially easy to finish within the allotted time even for someone, like me, of average intelligence.
Some people want to see how fast people can work. Some give tests specific to a knowledge area. Some are to see learning ability. Whether it's relevant or not is dependent on a number of things.
Regarding the time allotted to take the test, Eldon F. Wonderlic, in an article released in 1939, stated the following: "The length of the test was made such that only about two to five per cent of average groups complete the test in the twelve-minute time limit."
The median score in most white collar professions is upper 20's
Just curious, how do you measure a candidate's time management and prioritization skills?
I think at some point employers are going to have to come to the realization that candidate success cannot be accurately measured and stop the goofy tests and HR horse crap. Employers are acting like someone with a terminal disease reaching for every form of quackery out there. Candidates are really tired of having quackery forced on them.
A while back a clique of aging people started drinking their own urine convinced it would slow the aging process. I could naturally just wave my hand at them as a bunch kooks but it didn't affect me so let them do it. When they start trying to get you to drink to urine or in the case of employers indulge them in quackery then I get angry.
The median score in most white collar professions is upper 20's
You know that the test has been revised many times since 1939, right? In fact, there are many offshoots designed to measure different things.
In your referenced wikipedia source, you forgot to include:
Quote:
The Wonderlic Test, as a vocational and intelligence test, falls under the field of Industrial and Organizational Psychology. As a personnel test the Wonderlic is used to gauge an applicant's job potential, educational potential, and training potential. ... While there is no lack of tests that could be used in place of the Wonderlic, such as the IQ or the Mechanical Aptitude Test, it is a quick and simple vocational test for personnel recruitment and selection.The Wonderlic Test has been peer reviewed by the American Psychological Association and has been deemed worthy of field applications to the industrial use of personnel testing.
You know that the test has been revised many times since 1939, right? In fact, there are many offshoots designed to measure different things.
In your referenced wikipedia source, you forgot to include:
Yes It is purported and marketed to be a personnel test just like those ridiculous psychometric tests. Just because something is marketed as a personnel test does not make it accurate, useful, or even valid.
The test has been revised many times but the principle is the same. It is a test of basic math, language, and reasoning but crammed into a time frame that the vast majority of test takers (>95%) can not complete it in the time allotted. As it result it does not so much measure math skills, as there would be no need for such an aggressive time limit for that, It is designed to be a quasi, IQ test which is very controversial.
I think at some point employers are going to have to come to the realization that candidate success cannot be accurately measured and stop the goofy tests and HR horse crap.
How do you assess candidate time management and prioritization skills? How do you assess candidates at all?
If you want to test candidates you give them a test of skills specific to the job especially in technical professions. You ask them about hypothetical scenarios and such. Other than that you use the interview to show they can present themselves as professionals.
You don't give junk science psychometric tests or this gimicy test and then stretch logic to say it gives a measure of time management and prioritization skills. All this test is is a novel brain teaser gimic.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
