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Old 06-28-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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Uh, yes they are.
Immigrants work for work for lower salaries and no benefits. They are seldom unionized and so they don’t know their rights. A person who does not know his rights seldom complain when the employer make him work longer (often unpaid) hours, do dangerous or unsafe work or run him to hard. It may be bad for Americans who cannot find work but is not bad for the immigrant (which makes more money than back home) and for the employer who find cheap and disposable labor.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:04 PM
 
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Yeah, not to mention the economy is pretty good. Heck in my town things are booming! Guess there are some pockets that aren't doing all that great out there, but most places are doing great.

Anyway, immigrants also create more jobs. The population increase alone is a help in the economy. They need to eat and live to.
And when immigrants create jobs, they tend to hire their own and blatantly discriminate against Americans. Case in point---When Indians came here on H1-B visas, they eventually got green cards and were in a position to hire STEM/IT workers. Guess what they continually do? They only hire other Indians.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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"Immigrants work for work for lower salaries and no benefits."

Um no actually if you are a legal resident alien and work generally you do get benefits from an employer just like anyone else. Most companies do not have two tiers due to citizen vs non citizen.

"They are seldom unionized and so they don’t know their rights."

So you have to be a union to know your rights? Ever hear of the ACLU?

"A person who does not know his rights seldom complain when the employer make him work longer (often unpaid) hours, do dangerous or unsafe work or run him to hard."

Or they find a lawyer doing pro bono work.

"And when immigrants create jobs, they tend to hire their own and blatantly discriminate against Americans. Case in point---When Indians came here on H1-B visas, they eventually got green cards and were in a position to hire STEM/IT workers. Guess what they continually do? They only hire other Indians."

Wrong again.
Top 10 Indian-run Companies - 2009 Inc. 500|5000 | Inc.com
So ALL of these companies only hire Indians? You are not making a logical argument here.
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Old 06-28-2014, 10:27 PM
 
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It's amazing how many things in life are controlled by something as simple as perspective. Immigrants get favored for hiring because they work harder, work for less, and are genuinely happy doing it. Ok, why is that?

Well, it's perspective. Immigrants in their own countries can't find work, or they work for pennies and dimes, and working conditions are usually pretty bad. Working for minimum wage here for immigrants is beyond wonderful for them. It surpasses their expectations of work and pay on all fronts. Heck, many immigrants are even working under the table for mere dollars per hour and still happy.

Compare this to typical Americans. It's incorrect to say we don't work hard or put in every effort (of course there are always some bad ones in any bunch) but our perspectives are different. The majority of us never worked a job under minimum wage. We never experienced god awful working conditions (I mean like the conditions many immigrants have faced). Most of us can find work SOMEWHERE for minimum wage quite easily. Thus, as we get older and gain more skills and experience, we want something more (just like the immigrants do). However, all that's left for many of us is the same work we did when we were teenagers, even though we have college degrees, better soft skills, and so on and so forth. We have trouble finding our better paying jobs due to the bad job economy, and we become even more disheartened as it gets harder to even get minimum wage work again because immigrants scoop it up.

But all and all, it's perspective. Employers like hiring immigrants because almost every job, even at min. wage, is like hitting the jackpot to them. For Americans, we grew up in that and often have parents making decent livings. Our jackpot is getting that first 40-50k associate level job out of school or in a vocational field, but it's harder and harder to find them. Send any American to a European country where 30 hour work weeks (and paid for 40!) are the norm and they would think they are in heaven too!
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Old 06-28-2014, 10:46 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Immigrants work for work for lower salaries and no benefits. They are seldom unionized and so they don’t know their rights. A person who does not know his rights seldom complain when the employer make him work longer (often unpaid) hours, do dangerous or unsafe work or run him to hard. It may be bad for Americans who cannot find work but is not bad for the immigrant (which makes more money than back home) and for the employer who find cheap and disposable labor.
I'm not talking about ILLEGAL immigrants here. I'm talking about the hordes of Indian (and to a lesser extent Bangladeshi, Pakistani, and Chinese) H1-B holders who have infiltrated IT departments across the US.

15 years ago you'd see a handful of them in an IT department...maybe 3-4 out of 40 people. Now, they often comprise half the department, sometimes more. Some houses are 80-90% Indian. They've basically taken over IT here.

Since they look out for their own pretty blatantly, it puts non-Asians at a disadvantage. Couple that with cultural differences, them coming from patriarchal societies where womens' opinions are at best considered of less value than mens' opinions, and a frustratingly common lack of respect for Americans' capabilities and work-life balance...and you've got the hell that is IT in DFW these days.

The overwhelming majority of these workers are legal immigrants. Many have been here long enough to transition to green cards, and many are also now US citizens. That doesn't mean they're assimilating into our society, though, or that they have any respect for our values or our way of life. They're just here to live "the good life" and make money. These people are NOT cutting grass and cleaning houses. No, no, no. They're here filling white-collar jobs that rightfully belong to American citizens.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:20 PM
 
Location: California
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None of the jobs my kids have applied to have ever gone to a recent immigrants instead. None of the jobs I've applied for either. And I live in CA where there are immigrants aplenty. The only reason they would is if the immigrants were better suited or more qualified, and that always was and is going to be the case. When people have a leg up on you I'm pretty sure you will resent them no matter who they are, assuming that job would have been YOURS if only.....

But probably not.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:27 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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None of the jobs my kids have applied to have ever gone to a recent immigrants instead. None of the jobs I've applied for either. And I live in CA where there are immigrants aplenty. The only reason they would is if the immigrants were better suited or more qualified, and that always was and is going to be the case. When people have a leg up on you I'm pretty sure you will resent them no matter who they are, assuming that job would have been YOURS if only.....

But probably not.
How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers | Mother Jones

http://cis.org/LowSalariesforLowSkills-H1B

http://www.cringely.com/2012/10/23/w...d-hurt-us-all/

http://hothardware.com/News/Study-H1...er-Pay/#!5F9uE

Read on.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Immigrants work for work for lower salaries and no benefits. They are seldom unionized and so they don’t know their rights. A person who does not know his rights seldom complain when the employer make him work longer (often unpaid) hours, do dangerous or unsafe work or run him to hard. It may be bad for Americans who cannot find work but is not bad for the immigrant (which makes more money than back home) and for the employer who find cheap and disposable labor.
Not entirely. ILLEGAL immigrants and often will work under the table or cash only which in the long run is cheaper as employers don't have to technically pay payroll taxes and benefits. It's not just the salaries, it's the taxes. When you add in legal immigration like H1-B visa holders, it's a bit different and they start to want benefits and would need to require a little bit of a higher salary.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:22 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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When so many young Americans complain their is no jobs for them, apparently they are right, if they live in an area of lots of immigration both legal and illegal.

Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants | National Review Online
In other words, "natives" can't handle the competition. Natives need to improve their skillsets, education, experience, etc., and be more realistic about their employment goals and compensation if they want to be employed.

[also, natives are not entitled to a job]
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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In other words, "natives" can't handle the competition. Natives need to improve their skillsets, education, experience, etc., and be more realistic about their employment goals and compensation if they want to be employed.

[also, natives are not entitled to a job]
The problem is "natives" shouldn't have to compete with immigrants for jobs. Or at the very least, they should be given priority in hiring, similar to the consideration veterans are given when applying for government jobs.
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