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Where I live, there are tons of engineering jobs that don't even require anything above a high school degree.
This surprises me. You can't even take the PE Exam unless you've graduated from an ABET accredited school with a BS. Now granted the PE is only required for Civil Engineers but I think most other sectors like to see that you have at least passed the FE Exam which again, you can't take unless you've graduated from an ABET accredited college or university.
only way you find a decent job is in the goverment , take Civil service exams, a job will be there forever! can't depend on private section
Do they still give exams? I thought those went away long ago. It's all about veteran preference, set asides, quotas, and chronyism, not qualifications. But you're right: get on that tit if you can.
I brought MIS into the discussion because the author of the article (Casey Ark) claims he has an engineering degree, but he doesn't. In the comments on the Washington Post, someone looked up the author's LinkedIn Profile:
The author absolutely did NOT graduate with either an engineering degree or a computer science degree. He graduated with a business degree. If the author thinks that his MIS background is equivalent to an engineering or CS degree, then he doesn't understand the field at all.
Just wanted to repost this in case anyone missed it. Turns out the author is flat-out lying, or seriously bending the truth at best.
So this sob story is click-bait pandering to the "I didn't receive my job lol!!!!!1!1ONE" crowd that also serves as marketing for his web design firm.
Also this:
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Originally Posted by MPowering1
It appears he can't keep his stories straight, as you'll find in this article where he wrote:
Good job guys for trying to expose this fraud. Too bad the rest of the world will simply agree with the outrageous headline and move on. This guy is pretty unethical, and that's putting it lightly.
Do they still give exams? I thought those went away long ago. It's all about veteran preference, set asides, quotas, and chronyism, not qualifications. But you're right: get on that tit if you can.
Eh not really.
Tests vary by profession. In CT most positions in local government require them. If you say take one for a position of Clerk that stays for anything of a clerk. So a clerk in a water department, mayors office etc. Some will keep you on file for a few years so even if you don't get it you might still qualify if things do not work out.
The first part of one I took was typing. I think maybe out of 20 one failed. But then the second part is two weeks later. That one is much more to the position. We are talking undergraduate to graduate level questions. They might interview the top three or so but like I said for anyone that gets or denies it people get bumped up.
The other thing is the notices look a tad odd. You might think you received jury duty instead! In some ways it is kinda a nice thing because even if it is a half day just the fact that it can stay in a system for a few years is pretty good.
I still wonder about the eventually development of computer science as a discipline. Is it engineering or something else?
I started out as an engineer. My degree is in fact Electrical Engineer. However I was early into the computer era both as a tool and a component. We designed the computers and the language and the software tools. I actually own the principal patents for controlling a printer with a computer...which actually dates to the late 1960s.
That shop was virtually entirely staffed with engineers generally digital logic people. That lead to a vast fondness for bit banging in a way seldom done today.
As the art progressed the wonders of such things as high level languages and programming constructs came to the for. And on to the present day with rather abstract languages driving APIs...a crutch so you don't really need to know how it works.
And that may be the dividing line...the abstract practitioner of programming versus a software engineer who understands how and why it works.
I am inclined to consider most IT and CS folk as non engineers. The may well be making a fine contribution to the art but they do not actually get to the nuts and bolts of how it all works and how to make it better...they work at a higher level of abstraction and use the computer and its languages as a tool to do something else in a better manner.
MPowering is absolutely right here - I went back and read the original article, and you'll notice the comments there are pretty angry as well.
The original title of the author's post was "I studied Engineering...", which was then "corrected" by the Washington Post to "I studied computer science...", which still isn't truthful - he studied MIS, not CS.
He states in the article that "I felt like the job market was mine for the taking. I was very, very wrong", but then, as MPowering points out, graduated with two job offers he chose to forsake in favor of starting his own web design company. His claim that he "still can't find a job" is a flat-out lie.
WashPo should take this down, and Penn State deserves an apology - he's trashing the school for not giving him the kind of education he thinks he should have gotten, but he's lying left and right and is discouraging people from a. Going into STEM fields and b. Going to PSU. This is pretty bad.
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