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Notice you dodged the question, which says everything that needs to be said.
At Wal Mart (or wherever you work), this guy is a bad hire.
At a job that actually demands talent and skill, people like this are hard to come by. One of the strongest indicators of a winner is someone who has enough sense of sovereignty to be themselves, to speak the truth and to not filter everything they say for the sensibilities of losers. The most counterproductive force in any office is the sentiment that everyone has to walk on eggshells. 20 as*kissers spend an 8 hour workday addressing an issue that 2 people an honest office could handle in 20 minutes since they aren't hamstrung about having to elaborately hedge everything they say.
Jack Welch (one of the greatest C's ever) was stridently opposed to the typical office iteration of 'professionalism' since it was essentially a synonym for counterproductive bullsh*t.
(and PS: one of our core objectives is to keep our staffing as "small" as possible, a concept you wouldn't understand in your role of guy-on-the-internet-pretending-to-be-something-he-aint)
Notice you dodged the question, which says everything that needs to be said.
At Wal Mart (or wherever you work), this guy is a bad hire.
At a job that actually demands talent and skill, people like this are hard to come by. One of the strongest indicators of a winner is someone who has enough sense of sovereignty to be themselves, to speak the truth and to not filter everything they say for the sensibilities of losers. The most counterproductive force in any office is the sentiment that everyone has to walk on eggshells. 20 as*kissers spend an 8 hour workday addressing an issue that 2 people an honest office could handle in 20 minutes since they aren't hamstrung about having to elaborately hedge everything they say.
Jack Welch (one of the greatest C's ever) was stridently opposed to the typical office iteration of 'professionalism' since it was essentially a synonym for counterproductive bullsh*t.
I agree with part of this; however, the OP stated the guy lied to a client so he could go home. I don't care if you're a no b*ll**** type of guy (like myself) or a backstabbing lemming, you don't lie to clients, you go the extra mile for them. If he lied about something else less important I wouldn't care either. I prefer people to be up front just like you, I just don't create an environment where lying is acceptable. Create an open honest environment and one that is dedicated to the work being performed and you won't have employees lying to clients so they can go home.
I agree with part of this; however, the OP stated the guy lied to a client so he could go home. I don't care if you're a no b*ll**** type of guy (like myself) or a backstabbing lemming, you don't lie to clients, you go the extra mile for them. If he lied about something else less important I wouldn't care either. I prefer people to be up front just like you, I just don't create an environment where lying is acceptable.
It does create an interesting paradox since he's essentially confessing a sin, telling the truth about lying, but still. When the Chicago Blackhawks were in the Stanley Cup and I fell into two tickets, I back-burnered a client, too.
I guess it all boils down to mentality. In my years doing what I do, I've noticed there are a few personality traits that are extremely consistent with winners, never present in losers. One of them is open, blunt honesty, feelings be damned, where even their own f-ups and misdeeds are on the table.
It does create an interesting paradox since he's essentially confessing a sin, telling the truth about lying, but still. When the Chicago Blackhawks were in the Stanley Cup and I fell into two tickets, I back-burnered a client, too.
I guess it all boils down to mentality. In my years doing what I do, I've noticed there are a few personality traits that are extremely consistent with winners, never present in losers. One of them is open, blunt honesty, feelings be damned, where even their own f-ups and misdeeds are on the table.
That is fine, but it is better to have something to support how you grew from the situation(s). I see too many people apologizing constantly for messing up and never owning up to anything. That is the first step in the long hike of life. Learn from your mistakes and give examples how you did so. I prefer people to the tell the truth and I am open and honest about myself with anyone and everyone, I expect the same respect that I give. I agree with you that too many corporations today are all about putting on fake attitudes, fake personas, and fake characters...lying seems to be their best friend and they welcome that type of environment.
]Notice you dodged the question, which says everything that needs to be said.[/b]
At Wal Mart (or wherever you work), this guy is a bad hire.
At a job that actually demands talent and skill, people like this are hard to come by. One of the strongest indicators of a winner is someone who has enough sense of sovereignty to be themselves, to speak the truth and to not filter everything they say for the sensibilities of losers. The most counterproductive force in any office is the sentiment that everyone has to walk on eggshells. 20 as*kissers spend an 8 hour workday addressing an issue that 2 people an honest office could handle in 20 minutes since they aren't hamstrung about having to elaborately hedge everything they say.
Jack Welch (one of the greatest C's ever) was stridently opposed to the typical office iteration of 'professionalism' since it was essentially a synonym for counterproductive bullsh*t.
(and PS: one of our core objectives is to keep our staffing as "small" as possible, a concept you wouldn't understand in your role of guy-on-the-internet-pretending-to-be-something-he-aint)
The people here know what I do and the level I'm at and more. I don't need to prove myself to someone who thinks C-level in something other than a Fortune 500 company is a big deal or thinks they have to school people on who Jack Welch is.
The people here know what I do and the level I'm at and more. I don't need to prove myself to someone who thinks C-level in something other than a Fortune 500 company is a big deal or thinks they have to school people on who Jack Welch is.
i think that the problem is that for most people who are actively looking for work while working, you tend to take a lot of mornings or afternoons off to interview.
if you take a lot of "personal days" or you're out a lot of 1/2 days it quickly gets really obvious. it also brings up a lot of questions along the lines of "sally has been out a lot these days - what's up?" "i don't know...she just keeps taking personal days" "hmmm, wonder if everything is ok" "yeah it's odd", etc. nosy co-workers.
so at least in my experience, job seekers will come up with a list of stuff that they rotate around:
dr appt
kids dr appt
dentist
pick up X from airport
roof leak at home (contractor)
plumber at home
etc.
i would say that 99% of all interviewers who currently have a job lied about the interview that they are doing right now.
most of them didn't tell their employer "sorry but i can't come to work today because i have a job interview"...instead they had a doctors appt, sick, etc.
i actually have a very hard time lying so i simply tell the truth or omit information a lot.
for example, i actually told the truth about a phone interview for my last job. i had a phone interview and went to my car to do it. i had to leave a long meeting that was scheduled last minute (of which i was an important participant) to do it and when i got back, the people in the meeting were like "hey, where did you go?" and i said "oh, i had a phone interview" and they just said "ugh...ok." i did a lot of interviews for the company so they just thought that i conducted a phone interview (not that i was on the receiving end).
i also said "i'll be in seattle on monday so i won't be at work" when i had an onsite interview and had to travel for it. of course they probably thought i was just on vacation or visiting a friend or something.
i had a graphic design candidate tell one of our women interviewers that he once worked (many years ago) as a porn actor. we hired him anyway although we severely questioned his judgement on that.
RVD.
That wasn't too smart of you. Why would you go to YOUR CAR to conduct a phone interview if you were the interviewer???? You wouldn't.
You only go out to your car when you're on the receiving end of the phone interview.
You better hope the wrong person didn't hear what you said, don't assume people saying "uh,OK
" means nothing.
You should have just said I had a personal matter to attend to.
It's not the fact that he lied that is necessarily troubling. I'm sure most of us have told lies at work in order to enhance our personal life, no matter how minor the lie is or the enhancement to our life.
What was baffling was that he'd have the lack of sense to admit this in an interview with a prospective employer. It's one thing to admit this if its over a casual beer with your buddies or something, but damn, how stupid can you be. Even though the hiring manager on site made the decision to not hire him, he was still concerned enough by the guy's seemingly backward progression (he had seven years exp applying for our bottom position, four promotions at one employer, then a six month job) that he called the most recent employer and found out the candidate was fired.
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You wouldn't.
