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A licensed professional like a doctor, nurse, or even attorney who lose their license over professional misconduct or criminal behavior. That would certainly make them unhirable in their profession.
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Simply honestly answering the question "Why did you leave your last job" honestly in an interview can do it. Regardless of the reason for it, if the person says "I was fired" I know it would put me off as a hiring manager. As for the fear of lawsuit debate, no one will win a lawsuit if the former employer says they would not rehire the person. Most managers and HR people know very well how to avoid subjective answers to questions that could get them sued. Even an answer like "I would rather not say"tells them plenty without any danger of being sued.
Umm...be me! Seemingly, I am as "unhireable" as one gets.
Ha I feel the same way. I wish I could laugh about it like you though.
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Simply honestly answering the question "Why did you leave your last job" honestly in an interview can do it. Regardless of the reason for it, if the person says "I was fired" I know it would put me off as a hiring manager. As for the fear of lawsuit debate, no one will win a lawsuit if the former employer says they would not rehire the person. Most managers and HR people know very well how to avoid subjective answers to questions that could get them sued. Even an answer like "I would rather not say"tells them plenty without any danger of being sued.
Seems like honesty in general is an easy way to not get hired. They always say they want someone who is honest but no one can handle the truth anymore if it's the least bit negative.
You don't have to say the part about being fired in an interview. Depending on the situation, I would think that when you are fired you can leave that part out and still be honest.
The unfortunate part is some online applications don't even leave space for the reason for leaving a job so you don't even get a chance to explain yourself. I am told though since it's been so long ago nobody would know that I was fired from that job but I would still feel funny putting I quit when I didn't.
Ha I feel the same way. I wish I could laugh about it like you though.
I have to laugh or I would probably commit suicide (not that *that* is a bad thing). Searching for a job is like going on acting auditions, you have to sell yourself (resume/application) and act the part (interview) that the potential employers want. It's tough especially if you do not know anyone who can help you get a job. I have to make light of my job search and laugh about it, as I know my qualifications and I know I can do any of the jobs I have applied to, and I can do them very well.
Job searching is all about persistence and luck. I am still awaiting the luck part.
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Seems like honesty in general is an easy way to not get hired. They always say they want someone who is honest but no one can handle the truth anymore if it's the least bit negative.
True, very true. Employers want you to be honest on your resume/application and they want you to be honest on the interview. Okay. I have no problem with that. But then if you are honest and say you have a "gap" in your employment because you were either fired, quit or took time off for family health problems/death, that is a big NO NO. It is easier to get a job if you just say you have a "gap" because you were in prison.
Case in point, I used to work in HR years ago as an HRIS Administrator, and I was told by the HR Manager that they wanted to hire more people under the WOTC Federal program (Work Opportunity Tax Credit), especially people just out of prison, because they received $3,000 for each WOTC hire. If you had a parole officer as your reference you were gold.
I have to laugh or I would probably commit suicide (not that *that* is a bad thing). Searching for a job is like going on acting auditions, you have to sell yourself (resume/application) and act the part (interview) that the potential employers want. It's tough especially if you do not know anyone who can help you get a job. I have to make light of my job search and laugh about it, as I know my qualifications and I know I can do any of the jobs I have applied to, and I can do them very well.
Job searching is all about persistence and luck. I am still awaiting the luck part.
True, very true. Employers want you to be honest on your resume/application and they want you to be honest on the interview. Okay. I have no problem with that. But then if you are honest and say you have a "gap" in your employment because you were either fired, quit or took time off for family health problems/death, that is a big NO NO. It is easier to get a job if you just say you have a "gap" because you were in prison.
Case in point, I used to work in HR years ago as an HRIS Administrator, and I was told by the HR Manager that they wanted to hire more people under the WOTC Federal program (Work Opportunity Tax Credit), especially people just out of prison, because they received $3,000 for each WOTC hire. If you had a parole officer as your reference you were gold.
It isn't to me. If it was it would be easy for me to do. As a kid I aspired to be an actress but they're not hiring a character. They are hiring me. There is no script so my mind can't associate it as that.
I'm a very honest person. I always have been. The rare times I have lied in my life I'm really bad at it (I can't even figure out how to lie on those stupid attitude tests)
I would think if you leave out the part that you were fired and you just put it as the death in the family is what caused you to not work there anymore it would be okay. Also if I was in high school at the time I would think it would be natural for me to not stay at that job. The bigger part of the gap is I did the dumb thing and went to college but then I become overqualified for the jobs that require little experience.
Yeah even though I am sure of that it doesn't change the fact it's pretty messed up. On the applications I always put that the family receives food stamps but that doesn't seem to matter because I obviously don't get offers. I do see the part about disabilities on your link but the few times I have disclosed, I wonder if it bites me in the butt. I hear more about employees refusing disabled more than ex cons and it would make sense because you can't fix a disability at all but an ex con could turn their life around. If I say that I have been to the program would that make a difference? Do I just say it without them asking? The thing is when they have those applications online they do have the part about disclosing disability obviously but they don't mention it in the tax credit section. Also my coach said nothing about this. There should be a tax credit for people like me! I don't understand it because it's like the country doesn't want me to support myself and just live off the state money. I wish I had got diagnosed years ago. Maybe I would know how to handle it. I've obviously had it all my life but this whole thing feels new to me since I only got diagnosed last year and was not aware my "quirks" were partly a disability.
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