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Old 05-09-2009, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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...and what a surprise...

I had my friend call up my old boss yesterday afternoon and he said he wouldn't hire me back (why, I have not a clue). He also said my position was cut due to job performance (again, not true. HR said my position was one of those eliminated due to downsizing, and was always given glowing reviews). So after hearing this, I called up the VP of HR and she said she can be used as the reference, but all she can do is verify years employed and beginning/ending salary.

Will this prove to be a negative against me since I am now just giving HR as a reference?
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Old 05-09-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: City, State
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Might look a little weird if you're unwilling to provide your former boss's name as a reference.

If I were you, I'd call him up immediately after hearing that he lied and lay into him. That's ridiculous.
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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Might look a little weird if you're unwilling to provide your former boss's name as a reference.

If I were you, I'd call him up immediately after hearing that he lied and lay into him. That's ridiculous.
Before I lay into anyone, I am trying to figure out if using the VP would be the better idea. She is very kind and I interacted with her on a very regular basis. This woman said if it's an issue, just state that it's company policy to direct all reference checks straight to HR to avoid what this guy (my former boss) would say.

This was a hostile takeover and a lot of egos were damaged and a ton of backstabbing went down as the power struggle played itself out.
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:46 PM
 
Location: NW San Antonio
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If the conversation wasn't recorded, it's his word against your friends. He'll just say he didn't say it. Reference checks normally do go thru HR
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:51 PM
 
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If the end goal is to get around the obstacle, your ex-boss and win the job, then you appear to have won the touch down.

Definitely, don't get into a verbal battle with your ex-boss, since that will tie the hands of the H.R. person and you will be sunk.

If you are in an industry where talking to the team supervisor is the norm or you work in a niche industry, then have your attorney don the boxing gloves. Not you.

good luck!



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Before I lay into anyone, I am trying to figure out if using the VP would be the better idea. She is very kind and I interacted with her on a very regular basis. This woman said if it's an issue, just state that it's company policy to direct all reference checks straight to HR to avoid what this guy (my former boss) would say.

This was a hostile takeover and a lot of egos were damaged and a ton of backstabbing went down as the power struggle played itself out.
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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If the conversation wasn't recorded, it's his word against your friends. He'll just say he didn't say it. Reference checks normally do go thru HR
Thanks for the answers so far, everyone. So you don't see this as a problem if the reference goes straight to the VP of HR?
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:22 PM
 
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Thanks for the answers so far, everyone. So you don't see this as a problem if the reference goes straight to the VP of HR?

No! It really depends on your industry, and we don't know what that is....

If it is regular office job, then they will probably be satisfied with H.R.

If it is a team type job, then they will probably want another reference of someone who can attest to your team building abilities, project completion abilities, lalaldalalda
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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No! It really depends on your industry, and we don't know what that is....

If it is regular office job, then they will probably be satisfied with H.R.

If it is a team type job, then they will probably want another reference of someone who can attest to your team building abilities, project completion abilities, lalaldalalda
I was doing market research, sales support, qualifying leads, and trade shows for a small software company.

It really was just an ordinary office job with a presentation every now and again. Not much in the way of project lead or team building.
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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I was doing market research, sales support, qualifying leads, and trade shows for a small software company.

It really was just an ordinary office job with a presentation every now and again. Not much in the way of project lead or team building.

Of course, it would help if you have someone who will rave about you. If you don't I would definitely do some volunteer work while you are on unemployment. Hopefully, this was not your only job for the past 8 years.
Wells Fargo does that. There are many companies that give out only bare details.

good luck and hopefully soon, congratulations.
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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Of course, it would help if you have someone who will rave about you. If you don't I would definitely do some volunteer work while you are on unemployment. Hopefully, this was not your only job for the past 8 years.
Wells Fargo does that. There are many companies that give out only bare details.

good luck and hopefully soon, congratulations.
Lol unfortunately, this was my only job, but I moved around a lot as the company grew from a start up to a mid market competitor.

When I got laid off, I immediately started volunteering for the Alzheimer's foundation and I am doing more true marketing (which I love) for them. I already have two great references lined up from that organization. It's just my ex-boss rattled me with a less than stellar reference.

Maybe I can use a real estate broker in NYC that I help with doing marketing best practices and neighborhood demographic shifts?

This will give me three good references and one reference from HR at my old company. Am I over thinking this?
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