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Old 10-23-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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Nevertheless, Deut. 7:3 is one of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) that are binding on Jews.




Shabbat desecrating and cheeseburger eating Reform rabbis, but not Torah-observant Conservative and Orthodox rabbis.


Walter don't be so quick to judge. It is not just reform rabbis and for your information not all reform rabbis do interfaith marriages.

I know many Torah observant reform Jews and a couple of torah observant reform rabbis. So it really is unbecoming to put a whole group into one basket I would think.

I know I really try not to judge a book by its cover.
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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There are many many people who have Jewish ancestry.
Yes there are, and it can be a real life-altering experience when they do find out that they're Jewish:

//www.city-data.com/forum/relig...s-out-hes.html
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:23 PM
 
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It is not just reform rabbis ...
Conservative rabbis are no longer permitted to perform such ceremonies. Orthodox rabbis never did.


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... and for your information not all reform rabbis do interfaith marriages.
But, Reform rabbis are the only ones performing such ceremonies.


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I know many Torah observant reform Jews and a couple of torah observant reform rabbis.
A Torah-observant Reform Jew, and especially a Torah-observant Reform rabbi, is an oxymoron.
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Old 10-24-2010, 04:38 AM
 
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So you all see what the OP did, right? Started a thread with no other goal but to deliberately provoke, and he or she is probably sitting back and laughing out loud. (We don't even have to get into the fact that this alleged topic has been hashed around before).
It's provoked a lively discussion and it's a puzzle for me. I don't believe in this 'Jewish DNA' thing (though I'm willing to be convinced - racial genetic markers can be surprisingly persistent) as i am sure that there has been a lot of intermixing over the years.

The matter can be touchy, true, but the truth is important. I note Walter's point that reform Judaism and Torah observance is an oxymoron. Like many other religions, one either updates it, and never mind what the Book says, or one sticks to the letter of the Law and risks being left behind by the rest of humanity.
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:41 AM
 
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Conservative rabbis are no longer permitted to perform such ceremonies. Orthodox rabbis never did.




But, Reform rabbis are the only ones performing such ceremonies.




A Torah-observant Reform Jew, and especially a Torah-observant Reform rabbi, is an oxymoron.

Well Walter I have gone to interfaith marriages with conservative, and independent, and renewal rabbis in attendance.

It is fine for you not to agree, but you don't need to put all reform rabbis in one bucket.

Judaism is an ever changing wonderfully dynamic religion. If it weren't we wouldn't still be here.

As a family instead of seeing the differences as a bad thing we probably ought to see what we have in common.

And it is not an oxymoron because you put a whole group into what is your opinion. Not all reform Jews are the same. Not all conservative Jews are the same.

Not all conservative Jews are Torah observant.

I would suspect that you would say not all modern orthodox are Torah observant? Would I be correct?
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:48 AM
 
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Yes there are, and it can be a real life-altering experience when they do find out that they're Jewish:

//www.city-data.com/forum/relig...s-out-hes.html

Yes it can because I found out recently I actually have the ashkenazi marker when I had a DNA test. It was life changing. It did not make me Jewish my conversion did but I have struggled to find out where my family came from and why they left and why I was brought up without a religion but with ethical monotheism. The rabbi I worked with said she believed I already was Jewish. When I became Jewish it was like I had come home so I know exactly what the experience is like.

Yes it is mind blowing. But it just opens a world of questions that cannot be answered.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:33 AM
 
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Yes I know that, I have israeli friends and those who married non-Jews got married here. I think it is very sad that a government tells you who you can marry especially a democratic government. But maybe someday Israel will have civil marriages.
Israel doesn't have full separation of state & religion like in the USA. So it is not only Jews who can't marry people of the other faiths in Israel. Nobody in Israel can marry outside their religion as there are no civil ceremonies. The Israeli Movement for Citizens Rights (RATZ) which was headedby Shulamit Aloni for years was trying to change the law to permit civil wedding ceremonies in Israel. But that was never successful. The Israeli Government doesn't tell you who to marry, but it doesn't allow to marry certain people and in that case people take a short trip to Cyprus.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:36 AM
 
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Like many other religions, one either updates it, and never mind what the Book says, or one sticks to the letter of the Law and risks being left behind by the rest of humanity.
According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, the more Liberal versions of Judaism and Christianity are losing market share while the more traditional versions are gaining market share.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:40 AM
 
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Not all conservative Jews are Torah observant.
Most are not Torah-observant.


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I would suspect that you would say not all modern orthodox are Torah observant? Would I be correct?
No.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:01 AM
 
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According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, the more Liberal versions of Judaism and Christianity are losing market share while the more traditional versions are gaining market share.

Again it depends where you live. My area has many active non orthodox organizations and shuls. Anyway I am off to an adult learning class on Talmud. Have a great Sunday folks!!
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