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Old 03-22-2010, 03:25 AM
 
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Who is a Jew? As the recent passport row shows, that question can be murky, with elements of belief, values, descent and nationality mixed in.

It also has dark reminders of a terrible time in history when Jewish blood meant death; and science, or pseudo-science, claimed to be able to sniff it out.

View from the Lab: Who is a Jew? DNA can hold the key - Telegraph
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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Who is a Jew? As the recent passport row shows, that question can be murky, with elements of belief, values, descent and nationality mixed in.

It also has dark reminders of a terrible time in history when Jewish blood meant death; and science, or pseudo-science, claimed to be able to sniff it out.

View from the Lab: Who is a Jew? DNA can hold the key - Telegraph


The dna testing does not tell if anyone is Jewish. It simply tells you if you have a dna marker. The markers can tell you what part of the world your ancestry comes from. It can tell you if you have Ashkenazi or sephardic markers. If you do that does not make you Jewish. It simply says you might have Jewish ancestry. You need to be born of a Jewish mother to be Jewish or convert.

Jewish Genealogy By Genetics - JewishGen
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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The dna testing does not tell if anyone is Jewish. It simply tells you if you have a dna marker. The markers can tell you what part of the world your ancestry comes from. It can tell you if you have Ashkenazi or sephardic markers. If you do that does not make you Jewish. It simply says you might have Jewish ancestry. You need to be born of a Jewish mother to be Jewish or convert.
All true, of course. But I bet you and I both know where this thread is going to wind up! (Especially at this auspicious time of year, as we approach the Passover--when the infamous Blood Libel is sure to be revived!)
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Old 03-22-2010, 05:24 PM
 
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My best friend is a Jew.

What is the infamous Blood Libel?

I don't get out much.
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Old 03-22-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Who is a Jew? As the recent passport row shows, that question can be murky, with elements of belief, values, descent and nationality mixed in.

It also has dark reminders of a terrible time in history when Jewish blood meant death; and science, or pseudo-science, claimed to be able to sniff it out.

View from the Lab: Who is a Jew? DNA can hold the key - Telegraph
But we have to consider whether being Jewish is a religion or a race. Would Ashkenazi Jews test positive? Perhaps not, and yet, are Anshkenazi Jews any less Jews than those of Sephardic origins? I think not.

My father's heritage was Jewish, way, way, WAY back. However I am anything but Jewish. Perhaps I would test positive, I don't know (DNA is such a funny thing). I do not identify with that race nor that religion nor that culture so how can I be considered Jewish if my DNA says I am? That's preposterous. Who you are is also part and parcel to what you believe and the culture/life you grew up with and relate to.

Considering the extremely close proximity in the middle east. I would wager a guess that even some Muslim people would test positive for Jewish DNA. What kind of insanity is that? Nope, doesn't work for me at all.

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Old 03-22-2010, 06:40 PM
 
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how can I be considered Jewish if my DNA says I am?

you would not be considered Jewish, you would just have the possibility of Jewish ancestry. To be Jewish you need to be born to a Jewish mother or be a convert.

I think I explained that in my original post.....
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Old 03-22-2010, 06:41 PM
 
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All true, of course. But I bet you and I both know where this thread is going to wind up! (Especially at this auspicious time of year, as we approach the Passover--when the infamous Blood Libel is sure to be revived!)

Oye vey...... I need to just ignore this thread.......

Happy Pesach Fred!!
Chag Sameach!!
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:49 PM
 
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how can I be considered Jewish if my DNA says I am?

you would not be considered Jewish, you would just have the possibility of Jewish ancestry. To be Jewish you need to be born to a Jewish mother or be a convert.

I think I explained that in my original post.....
But wait. You get 1/2 your DNA from your father. So you could be born of a non-Jewish mother and still have Jewish DNA.

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Old 03-22-2010, 09:02 PM
 
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But wait. You get 1/2 your DNA from your father. So you could be born of a non-Jewish mother and still have Jewish DNA.

20yrsinBranson

being Jewish is passed through the mother not the father. Reminding myself to ignore this thread. I will not get into a thread if all you want to do is hack to death what makes someone Jewish.....
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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What is the infamous Blood Libel?

I don't get out much.
That's an old story invented by, who would have imagined, Christians back in the middle ages as an excuse to go rampaging through Jewish neighborhoods, ransacking and murdering. You might not think so in our technological, 21st century world...but the Blood Libel hasn't disappeared completely. Allegedly, Jews use the blood of Christian children to make matzoh. (I can tell you as a Jew that it isn't true, but then if you already subscribed to that theory, you probably wouldn't believe me!)
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