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Old 07-15-2014, 05:21 PM
 
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Those aren't the nutcases who protest with Arabs. Those who protest alongside Arabs are about 10 people and they aren't connected to the original NK's. I don't believe any of them live in Israel.
Iwish is right. The 10-12 people claiming to be NK who dance with the Arabs in delight when Jews die are psychopaths. They might be Jewish, but there are all types.
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Old 12-06-2014, 03:36 AM
 
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One item that some Christians point to to prove the bible's prophetic accuracy, is the 1948 creation of the state of Israel. They point to a myriad of biblical prophecies that speak of the Jews returning from captivity/exile (in modern times) as solid, concrete proof that the bible is the perfect word of god. I once touted such a position and believed it was irrefutable proof.

It was not until just a few years ago, about 5 years into my de-conversion, did it hit me that ALL of the so-called prophecies are found ONLY in the Old Testament. Not one New Testament writer utters a mention of any Jewish return to their homeland in some distant future. I then realized that the Old Testament writings concerning a Jewish return to their homeland concerned their return from their exile in Babylon and other places where they were scattered in THAT ancient world. By the New Testament time when the nation was pretty much re-established primarily as Judea and Galilee, there was no reason to predict anything. The fulfillment prophecies of the OT regarding a Jewish return to their ancient land had already taken place and was history.

Added to this was the idea that AFTER the Jewish return, it appears that some believed that it was now time for god to punish Israel's enemies for beating up on them which led to a lot of apocalyptic language culminating in the New Testament apocalyptic diatribes such as those found in the book of Revelation.

What say ye?
So, does that mean that GOD is done with Israel and has no plans for her people in the future? Does this mean that the story of the 144,000 and the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation are false? What does that mean for the Jewish Saints of yesteryear, are they just dead or will they rise again as well? Does theis mean that the temple will not be rebuilt where it belongs? What is GOD's plan for the Jewish people?

I, as a Christian, believe that GOD has a future plan for Israel in that she will conquer her foes and the temple will be rebuilt. Your saints will rise again with us. There is a future for Israel that is better than the crap you are dealing with now!!! Praise GOD!!! See you in Heaven my friend!!!
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Old 12-06-2014, 03:47 AM
 
Location: Santee, CA
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One item that some Christians point to to prove the bible's prophetic accuracy, is the 1948 creation of the state of Israel. They point to a myriad of biblical prophecies that speak of the Jews returning from captivity/exile (in modern times) as solid, concrete proof that the bible is the perfect word of god. I once touted such a position and believed it was irrefutable proof.

It was not until just a few years ago, about 5 years into my de-conversion, did it hit me that ALL of the so-called prophecies are found ONLY in the Old Testament. Not one New Testament writer utters a mention of any Jewish return to their homeland in some distant future. I then realized that the Old Testament writings concerning a Jewish return to their homeland concerned their return from their exile in Babylon and other places where they were scattered in THAT ancient world. By the New Testament time when the nation was pretty much re-established primarily as Judea and Galilee, there was no reason to predict anything. The fulfillment prophecies of the OT regarding a Jewish return to their ancient land had already taken place and was history.

Added to this was the idea that AFTER the Jewish return, it appears that some believed that it was now time for god to punish Israel's enemies for beating up on them which led to a lot of apocalyptic language culminating in the New Testament apocalyptic diatribes such as those found in the book of Revelation.

What say ye?
So, does that mean that GOD is done with Israel? What will become of the Jewish Saints of yesteryear, will they remain dead instead of rising again? Does this mean that the stories of the 144,000 and the New Jerusalem are false? Will the temple remain ruins forever rather than being rebuilt? What is the fate of the people after death?

I, as a Christian, believe that GOD is not done with Israel yet, and that her people will conquer their foes. Your saints will rise again. Jerusalem will be restored, and the temple shall be rebuilt to its proper glory. Praise GOD!!! I will see you in Heaven my friend!!!
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Old 12-06-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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So, does that mean that GOD is done with Israel? What will become of the Jewish Saints of yesteryear, will they remain dead instead of rising again? Does this mean that the stories of the 144,000 and the New Jerusalem are false? Will the temple remain ruins forever rather than being rebuilt? What is the fate of the people after death?

I, as a Christian, believe that GOD is not done with Israel yet, and that her people will conquer their foes. Your saints will rise again. Jerusalem will be restored, and the temple shall be rebuilt to its proper glory. Praise GOD!!! I will see you in Heaven my friend!!!
No...You won't...
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Old 12-07-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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No...You won't...
Perhaps he will. Sounds like a righteous gentile - and they are granted a share in Olam Haba.
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:41 AM
 
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Perhaps he will. Sounds like a righteous gentile - and they are granted a share in Olam Haba.
Righteous Gentile or not, no one goes to heaven when they die...They lie in sheol till the Day of Resurrection...
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Old 12-08-2014, 06:19 AM
 
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Righteous Gentile or not, no one goes to heaven when they die...They lie in sheol till the Day of Resurrection...
I don't mind you having that belief. But please clarify that you are not Jewish when you make such statements.
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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I don't mind you having that belief. But please clarify that you are not Jewish when you make such statements.
But I am...Whether you like it or not...So, you believe you go to heaven upon your death?...
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Old 12-08-2014, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I don't mind you having that belief. But please clarify that you are not Jewish when you make such statements.
Not Jewish in belief and practices or not Jewish as a halachic status? There's a big difference.
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Old 12-08-2014, 02:49 PM
 
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Not Jewish in belief and practices or not Jewish as a halachic status? There's a big difference.
Both, from What I inderstand. Clearly not Jewish based on his beliefs.
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