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Old 09-23-2015, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Somewhere in one of these many pages I remember someone saying something along the lines of "Satan wasn't in the garden of Eden".

If this is true. What is your take on who/what the "serpent" in the garden was?

Thank you for your time and looking forward to your reply.
Lots of different answers to that one.

First, you need to understand that Satan, as found in Christianity and Islam, is much different than ha satan found in Judaism. The fallen angel who rebelled and works against God to corrupt man doesn't exist in Judaism; satan is a job title that means "accuser" or "prosecutor". It is rolled filled an entity (angel, animal, or man) who challenges at God's direction.

When it comes to the snake, different rabbis teach different things. Some teach that it was just a snake, acting on its nature. Some teach that it is an allegory for our yetzer ha-ra, our base and animalistic side. And some teach it is was an entity sent by God to challenge man.

 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:13 PM
 
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Lots of different answers to that one.

First, you need to understand that Satan, as found in Christianity and Islam, is much different than ha satan found in Judaism. The fallen angel who rebelled and works against God to corrupt man doesn't exist in Judaism; satan is a job title that means "accuser" or "prosecutor". It is rolled filled an entity (angel, animal, or man) who challenges at God's direction.

When it comes to the snake, different rabbis teach different things. Some teach that it was just a snake, acting on its nature. Some teach that it is an allegory for our yetzer ha-ra, our base and animalistic side. And some teach it is was an entity sent by God to challenge man.
I'm pretty certain that it was I that stated that...
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:18 PM
 
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When it comes to the snake, different rabbis teach different things. Some teach that it was just a snake, acting on its nature.
Well, it does state that it was the cleverest of all the beasts of the field that HaShem had created...And as far as I understand, HaSatan was not a beast of the field, so logically it couldn't have been him...

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Some teach that it is an allegory for our yetzer ha-ra, our base and animalistic side.

I think MysticPHD would emphatically agree with you here...

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And some teach it is was an entity sent by God to challenge man.
Like the spirit sent to torture Saul?...
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:29 PM
 
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Old 09-24-2015, 04:51 AM
 
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Have you looked at the other religious forums on CD as some of their threads have from crossed from heavy discussion into the gray of hate threads (and some noteworthy of being Stormfront).

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Old 09-24-2015, 05:40 AM
 
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Yes, that happens, and a self-moderated community has rules in place to ensure that the future participation meets community standards. Getting a 10 reputation is not that tough and it shows that you aren't setting up an account simply to troll an answer. It is a fine site and if your rep on it were higher, you would see the 4 deleted answers and see why they don't conform to the FAQ's regarding good answers.
 
Old 09-24-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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Have you looked at the other religious forums on CD as some of their threads have from crossed from heavy discussion into the gray of hate threads (and some noteworthy of being Stormfront).
I try to avoid those types of forums, Chaver...
 
Old 09-26-2015, 04:54 AM
 
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Is this still the Ask a Jew thread or has it veered far away? I'm struggling with something and I guess looking for validation? I am not Jewish, my father was but mother was not. I was not in any way raised in the religion or any tradition. Recently a cousin by marriage has joined a messianic church. He's really into it and is posting messages about the high holidays, Yom Kippur being the most recent, of course. I know it shouldn't bother me, but it is. I'm wondering how Jewish folks of different denominations (Reform, Conservative, Orthodox) feel about this stuff. I'm personally finding it obnoxious and offensive. I don't respond to him, but every "Shana tova" (during Rosh Hashanah) made me cringe.
 
Old 09-26-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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posting messages about the high holidays
Are you referring to Facebook posts? If so, you can easily block them without having to 'officially' unfriend that person. My wife does this with several of her Facebook 'friends'.
 
Old 09-26-2015, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Is this still the Ask a Jew thread or has it veered far away?
Yep, still that thread. And, yes, we do veer fairly often (we are Jews, after all ).

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I'm struggling with something and I guess looking for validation? I am not Jewish, my father was but mother was not. I was not in any way raised in the religion or any tradition. Recently a cousin by marriage has joined a messianic church. He's really into it and is posting messages about the high holidays, Yom Kippur being the most recent, of course. I know it shouldn't bother me, but it is. I'm wondering how Jewish folks of different denominations (Reform, Conservative, Orthodox) feel about this stuff. I'm personally finding it obnoxious and offensive. I don't respond to him, but every "Shana tova" (during Rosh Hashanah) made me cringe.
The only people I've seen lend much credence to "Messianics" are their fellow Christians.
I personally don't care if they celebrate Jewish holidays; if Christians want to "go back to their roots" and adopt the ancient holidays and add a touch of Hebrew to their services, it's their call. I just get upset when they try to claim that they're somehow practicing or are a part of Judaism.

As for other people using holiday greetings, I'm fine with it. I moved to New York a couple of months ago, and it seems like everyone and their brother knows which greetings go with each holiday. My boss emailed me on Erev Rosh haShannah to wish me a happy new year, my technicians respond with "Shabbat shalom" when I wish them a good weekend, and the cashier at the grocery store wished me an easy fast Tuesday afternoon.
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