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Old 05-28-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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I continually read about someone being "jewish." What does this truly mean? I am an American, but can practice the "jewish" faith. So, If I convert to Judism, does that automatically make my children "jews?"

It seems people are relating being "jewish" as a race of people. Is not a religion? There are people in Israel, for example, which are Christian's and Muslim. Yet, they are Israeli's.

So, what is the answer? Is it a race or a religion?
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:21 PM
 
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Is it a race or a religion?
yes
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:27 PM
 
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Technically, you can't even say it's a single race. There are Semitic Jews from around Palestine, but there are formerly Turkic Jews who are the descendants of the Khazars, who inhabited the Russian Steppes. What unites them all is their history as practicing Jews, whether the current generation practices the faith or not.

So I agree with MrRational: "yes".
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:46 PM
 
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I continually read about someone being "jewish." What does this truly mean? I am an American, but can practice the "jewish" faith. So, If I convert to Judism, does that automatically make my children "jews?"

It seems people are relating being "jewish" as a race of people. Is not a religion? There are people in Israel, for example, which are Christian's and Muslim. Yet, they are Israeli's.

So, what is the answer? Is it a race or a religion?
Education in this country must be worse than I thought. Hebrew is a race. Most Hebrews (though not all) are Jews (Judaism is a religion).

Jesus was a Jew and a Hebrew.

Israelis are citizens of Israel.

Why is this hard?
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:00 PM
 
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Technically, you can't even say it's a single race. There are Semitic Jews from around Palestine, but there are formerly Turkic Jews who are the descendants of the Khazars, who inhabited the Russian Steppes. What unites them all is their history as practicing Jews, whether the current generation practices the faith or not.

So I agree with MrRational: "yes".
Judaism is a religion. Christ was a Jew, and a Hebrew. Hebrew is a race.

Anyone can be a Jew, if they wish to convert. Just as anyone can become a "believer" and be a Christian.

The early Christians were Hebrews (and Jews). They were called Christian because they followed Christ, and believed He was who He said He was (God). I can tell you probalby don't believe, or your comments would have revealied your faith. Your comments reveal that you are like so many others; confused and unbelieving. I'm so sorry.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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Judaism is a religion. Christ was a Jew, and a Hebrew. Hebrew is a race.

Anyone can be a Jew, if they wish to convert. Just as anyone can become a "believer" and be a Christian.

The early Christians were Hebrews (and Jews). They were called Christian because they followed Christ, and believed He was who He said He was (God). I can tell you probalby don't believe, or your comments would have revealied your faith. Your comments reveal that you are like so many others; confused and unbelieving. I'm so sorry.
My response was anthropological, not religious. "Jewish" is considered an ethnicity in Russia, and refers to descendants of the Khazars.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:32 PM
 
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My response was anthropological, not religious. "Jewish" is considered an ethnicity in Russia, and refers to descendants of the Khazars.
They are not "Jews" by ethnicity... The Khazars are converted Jews as ordered by the king of Khazaria to convert to the Jewish faith in 740 A.D. Approximately 90% of people in the world today who call themselves Jews are actually Khazars, or as they like to be known, Ashkenazi Jews... They are not Hebrews nor "actual" Jews...
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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They are not "Jews" by ethnicity... The Khazars are converted Jews as ordered by the king of Khazaria to convert to the Jewish faith in 740 A.D. Approximately 90% of people in the world today who call themselves Jews are actually Khazars, or as they like to be known, Ashkenazi Jews...
Yes, I know that. Khazar descendants are Jews. However, many of them aren't practicing Jews, so they're not Jews by a religious definition, but by virtue of their Khazar ancestry. I know several who don't practice the faith but consider themselves Jews and Khazar descendants. If you're defining Ashkenazi Jews as Khazars (as do I. and as many of them do, themselves), then you're defining them as an ethnicity. The Khazars were an ethnic group.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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Yes, I know that. Khazar descendants are Jews. However, many of them aren't practicing Jews, so they're not Jews by a religious definition, but by virtue of their Khazar ancestry. I know several who don't practice the faith but consider themselves Jews and Khazar descendants.
Khazars are not Jews by ethnicity... Thier actual homeland is Georgia... Khazars or Ashkenazis are converted Jews by religion only... They are not Hebrews nor are they "actual" Jews...
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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Khazars are not Jews by ethnicity... Thier actual homeland is Georgia... Khazars or Ashkenazis are converted Jews by religion only... They are not Hebrews nor are they "actual" Jews...
But you said they were Ashkenazi Jews. So please clarify what you mean by Ashkenazi Jews and "actual" Jews.
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