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Sadly there are off the derech Jews who are indeed comfortable in a reform shul. But in each case where you find that, you will also find either serious hashkofic problems with the family or some kind of abuse. It's quite abnormal to go from Orthodox to any other movement unless there are deeply held problems somewhere in the person's past.
The Reform movement is not a joke We all are Jews no matter how we believe or if we don't believe. We should respect others Why do you feel it is a joke~?
#1 We are not all Jews. Only those who are born to Jewish mothers or those who converted halachically are Jews.
#2 We should respect everybody, but that doesn't mean one must respect everybody's theology.
#3 If you knew the basics about Judaism, you'd also realize how the reform MOVEMENT (not the Jews) is a sad joke. The rabbis don't follow Jewish law, nor do they require their congregants to follow Jewish law.
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Sadly there are off the derech Jews who are indeed comfortable in a reform shul.
Hardly, if any at all. OTD are free-for-alls who just want to immerse themselves in a fun life.
A person's haskafo is their outlook on life. Being a mentsch means you have a nice hashkafo. Being raised in a Jewish home that is focused on Torah and mitzvos only to later go off the derech means there's a problem with your hashkafo.
If I'm sounding cranky tonight, keep in mind that I just spent the last 25 hours reviewing all the occasions the Jews did not follow the mitzvos and the terrible consequences we have paid. I need to focus on my own observance, but those who are not even trying, well...
#1 We are not all Jews. Only those who are born to Jewish mothers or those who converted halachically are Jews.
#2 We should respect everybody, but that doesn't mean one must respect everybody's theology.
#3 If you knew the basics about Judaism, you'd also realize how the reform MOVEMENT (not the Jews) is a sad joke. The rabbis don't follow Jewish law, nor do they require their congregants to follow Jewish law.
Hardly, if any at all. OTD are free-for-alls who just want to immerse themselves in a fun life.
From what I know about the Reform movement, they have classes to teach their congregation about the Talmud, as well as other classes or courses related to Judaism.
From what I know about the Reform movement, they have classes to teach their congregation about the Talmud, as well as other classes or courses related to Judaism.
So explain the hypocrisy: They teach the Talmud, but don't believe in the divinity of the oral Torah.
With all due respect, from your questions it is glaringly apparent that you really have no clue about Judaism at all, so here's a link to get you started:
Are you saying that all Jews have suffered because some Jews did not follow the mitzvos?
If so, what consequences stand out most in your mind, besides the Holocaust related stuff?
That's exactly what I said. What consequences? How about the destruction of both holy Temples and the million plus Jews killed each time. The expulsions from France, Spain, England, Poland and nearly every European country in the second millinium. The programs. I could go on and on. That's the deal we signed up for. Many Jews today don't like it and refuse to help carry the torch of doing the mitzvos. And then they wonder why bad things happen to good people.
Are you saying that all Jews have suffered because some Jews did not follow the mitzvos?
Kol Yisroel Areivim Zeh lazeh. Jews are responsible for one another. True, we are individuals, but we're also part of a community.
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If so, what consequences stand out most in your mind, besides the Holocaust related stuff?
Any consequence can be the result of somebody's misdeeds. There once was an epidemic in a Polish town where the townfolks were generally good and pious people. When the Rabbi made a "Shalos Cholom" (a question through a dream) as to why this was happening, he was told because of the mistreatment of an orphan. He researched until he found the perpetrator who had adopted an orphaned niece and whose wife was abusing the child. As soon as he took care of the problem, the epidemic ceased.
During biblical times, Jews were acutely aware of their actions and were able to link them to its consequence.
We just read in the churban, how in a certain city (forgot name) the price of flour went up in price just a little bit. The sages researched how this could've happened and discovered that a father and son had been with a woman on Yom Kippur night.
Oh, and the crusades was deemed to be the consequence of talking in Shul during prayers. At the time, the "me shebairach" was added to bless those who don't talk.
What more do you need than the Golden Calf? Not all of Klall Yisroel was involved, yet all suffered the consequences.
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What consequences? How about the destruction of both holy Temples and the million plus Jews killed each time. The expulsions from France, Spain, England, Poland and nearly every European country in the second millinium.
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the crusades was deemed to be the consequence of talking in Shul during prayers.
It looks like you believe that Jews have been suffering for a long time because some Jews refuse to follow the mitzvos.
Has it gotten any better in recent history, or has it gotten worse?
Was the Holocaust just one more unfortunate event in Jewish history, or was it some kind of "defining moment" that shows that your god is going to finally straighten things out? Maybe he (or she) got tired of waiting for the Jews to obey all of the mitzvos and decided to shake things up.
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We all are Jews no matter how we believe or if we don't believe. We should respect others 
Why do you feel it is a joke~?
