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Fourth/Fifth graders learn Talmud now? Tanachk and Rashi most likely, but Talmud?
My kids started learning Mishnayos three hours a day in the fourth grade. They began learning gamara in the fifth grade. And by sixth grade they were learning gamara half of the school day. They also go to school for 3 hours on Sunday to learn gamara (and play a little sports in school). Oh yeah, my sixth grader learns with a chevrusa in the nearby yeshiva gadola every Tuesday night for 2 hours, and we learn another 45 minutes of gamara together motzei Shabbos for my shul's avos u'banim program.
So yes, they start early and it becomes a way of life.
Are you insinuating non-orthodox schools believe in the oral Torah. If they do, why are they non-orthodox?
Reform and Conservative schools aren't Karaite. They believe in the Oral Torah from Sinai. What makes them non-Orthodox is how they interpret it and whether and how it can evolve.
My kids started learning Mishnayos three hours a day in the fourth grade. They began learning gamara in the fifth grade. And by sixth grade they were learning gamara half of the school day. They also go to school for 3 hours on Sunday to learn gamara (and play a little sports in school). Oh yeah, my sixth grader learns with a chevrusa in the nearby yeshiva gadola every Tuesday night for 2 hours, and we learn another 45 minutes of gamara together motzei Shabbos for my shul's avos u'banim program.
So yes, they start early and it becomes a way of life.
Do the girls learn Mishnayot and Gemara too in your community?
Translations:
mishnayot: paragraphs of the Mishnah, the first written compilation of the Oral Torah, compiled by Yehuda HaNasi
Gemara: rabbinical analysis and commentary of the Mishnah. Together with the Mishnah, it makes up the Talmud.
chevruta: a study group
yeshiva gedola: high school designed for study of Jewish texts
motzei Shabbat: the end of Shabbat
Avot u'banim: a regular time for parents to study Jewish texts with their children
They believe in the Oral Torah from Sinai. What makes them non-Orthodox is how they interpret it and whether and how it can evolve.
If they believe it's from Sinai, they can't believe it evolved. Those two ideas don't jibe. Don't you find it puzzling how they interpreted it to mean that you don't have to keep any of it?
Translations:
mishnayot: paragraphs of the Mishnah, the first written compilation of the Oral Torah, compiled by Yehuda HaNasi
Gemara: rabbinical analysis and commentary of the Mishnah. Together with the Mishnah, it makes up the Talmud.
chevruta: a study group
yeshiva gedola: high school designed for study of Jewish texts
motzei Shabbat: the end of Shabbat
Avot u'banim: a regular time for parents to study Jewish texts with their children
Thanks usuario,
At least now we have another person doing translations of other posters and I can finally get a rest from translating, correcting an un-yiddishizing words.
If they believe it's from Sinai, they can't believe it evolved. Those two ideas don't jibe. Don't you find it puzzling how they interpreted it to mean that you don't have to keep any of it?
What does "Lo bashamayim hi" mean to you?
Only the Reform believe you can choose what to keep and what not to keep, none believe you don't have to keep anything. Conservative Jews believe you do have to keep all of it, even if most Conservative Jews only keep some of it.
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