Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Judaism
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-12-2016, 10:34 PM
 
22,178 posts, read 19,221,727 times
Reputation: 18313

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by D231 View Post
My family is from Russia and Ukraine. More specifically, my mom is from Leningrad and my dad is from a shtetl outside of Kiev.

It's true, early Soviet Russia did in fact try to establish Yiddish within the Jewish community. At first within shtetls, and then they established a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in far eastern Russia near the Chinese border. Birobidzhan it's called. Even today, Yiddish is still commonly spoken and taught.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
i visited Ukraine recently (Medzibuzh, Berdichev, Breslov, Uman) and hope to go again.

 
Old 07-12-2016, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
170 posts, read 106,427 times
Reputation: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
i visited Ukraine recently (Medzibuzh, Berdichev, Breslov, Uman) and hope to go again.
Nice, my dad is from Stara Sinyava. The Jewish population there was very high up until the 1990's when the Jews living in the USSR started emigrating. I've heard that today there still are a few Jews living in that shtetl though.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 12:55 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
23,707 posts, read 30,749,085 times
Reputation: 9985
Quote:
Originally Posted by D231 View Post
Well, here in the U.S you won't find too many Jews who aren't Ashkenazi or of mostly Ashkenazi lineage. In Israel I know that there is a much higher population of Arabic and Hispanic Jews. But here in the U.S where the Jewish community is commonly of last names such as Goldman, Feldman, Lieberman etc, Yiddish and Yiddish culture one way or another are what bring us together.

You may not speak Yiddish, but eat Yiddish food. Kichelech, Matzo Ball Soup, and Kasha Varnishkes are Yiddish food, you know?

Like I've said before, we should stop teaching religion and start teaching actual culture.
You must live a closed life as the early Jews to the US were Sephardi and not Ashkenazi. The Ashkenazi flow came in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Again I am fluent in Yiddish and I do know what the old Yidden food were. The learning of Jewish religion and traditions trumps old backwards European socialist secular culture any day of the year.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
170 posts, read 106,427 times
Reputation: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
You must live a closed life as the early Jews to the US were Sephardi and not Ashkenazi. The Ashkenazi flow came in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Again I am fluent in Yiddish and I do know what the old Yidden food were. The learning of Jewish religion and traditions trumps old backwards European socialist secular culture any day of the year.
Okay well first of all, the first of the American Jews in the 1600's were Sephardic, yes. These small numbers of Jews were quickly outnumbered by Ashkenazi Jewish influx starting in the 1700's.

"Old backwards European socialist secular culture"? Really? My bubbe's Matzo Ball soup has nothing to do with socialism.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
23,707 posts, read 30,749,085 times
Reputation: 9985
Quote:
Originally Posted by D231 View Post
Okay well first of all, the first of the American Jews in the 1600's were Sephardic, yes. These small numbers of Jews were quickly outnumbered by Ashkenazi Jewish influx starting in the 1700's.

"Old backwards European socialist secular culture"? Really? My bubbe's Matzo Ball soup has nothing to do with socialism.
You keep on returning to cheap easy to make food with basic ingredients that were made mostly in rural areas. This is nothing special. All it does is remind people that their ancestors were dirt poor and made the most with the least amount of ingredients. Western Europeans had the better ingredients and Eastern didn't. The items you've listed as being Kichelech, Matzo Ball Soup, and Kasha Varnishkes are pretty much made of basic ingredients. On the other hand we have Cholent which has ingredients more prevalent in western Europe.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 09:04 PM
 
22,178 posts, read 19,221,727 times
Reputation: 18313
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
You keep on returning to cheap easy to make food with basic ingredients that were made mostly in rural areas. This is nothing special. All it does is remind people that their ancestors were dirt poor and made the most with the least amount of ingredients. Western Europeans had the better ingredients and Eastern didn't. The items you've listed as being Kichelech, Matzo Ball Soup, and Kasha Varnishkes are pretty much made of basic ingredients. On the other hand we have Cholent which has ingredients more prevalent in western Europe.
however this is a really good quality for a people to have, as individuals, as families, and collectively as a whole:
to be content with what we have
to take joy in a simple life, no matter where we are
 
Old 07-13-2016, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
23,148 posts, read 10,449,759 times
Reputation: 2339
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
however this is a really good quality for a people to have, as individuals, as families, and collectively as a whole:
to be content with what we have
to take joy in a simple life, no matter where we are

That's the meaning of life, you are a wise man,
 
Old 07-13-2016, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
170 posts, read 106,427 times
Reputation: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
You keep on returning to cheap easy to make food with basic ingredients that were made mostly in rural areas. This is nothing special. All it does is remind people that their ancestors were dirt poor and made the most with the least amount of ingredients. Western Europeans had the better ingredients and Eastern didn't. The items you've listed as being Kichelech, Matzo Ball Soup, and Kasha Varnishkes are pretty much made of basic ingredients. On the other hand we have Cholent which has ingredients more prevalent in western Europe.
What the hell are you even talking about now? Matzo Ball soup is delicious. It's not exactly blintzes with Caviar (An Expensive Yiddish food, one of the most expensive in the world) but it is in fact normal food, just like you will find in every other culture; food made with ingredients relatively plentiful and easily produced in a certain area.

Is the Zionist defense for getting rid of Yiddish culture "The ingredients for your food are cheap, representing poverty"? Are you forgetting that there were very many rich Jews? They all spoke Yiddish.

Here's a Yiddish word for you: Bobbymisse.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 12:35 AM
 
Location: US
32,530 posts, read 22,033,127 times
Reputation: 2227
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius View Post
That's the meaning of life, you are a wise man,
She's a girls...
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:14 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
23,707 posts, read 30,749,085 times
Reputation: 9985
Quote:
Originally Posted by D231 View Post
...
Here's a Yiddish word for you: Bobbymisse.
And hence the problem of not knowing proper Yiddish. If you are going to start throwing insults at least try to spell them in a way others can understand the insult you're attempting to state. The word is bubbameister. But since you are attempting to use a Americanized version that removes the "t" sound and replaces it with the "s" of it then it is bubbe-myseh which is a old wive's tale. But I'll throw it back at you in relation to what you've typed in this thread; Something of little importance
. Sorry, but I'm not going to drop to your level so go start your own thread since in you're thoughts that Judaism should not exist as you've already stated you are a atheist.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Judaism
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:43 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top