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Old 01-04-2015, 08:22 AM
 
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In the R&S forum, there have been a few threads about people not providing a service because of religious or moral objections. For example, a religious photographer not wanting to photograph and document a gay wedding party.

Assume there was a Jewish baker whose grand-parents died in the Holocaust. Suppose a couple Nazis asked the baker to prepare a cake with "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler" on it, along with a few swastikas for good measure. If you were the baker, would you make the cake?

Some people thought the baker should not be required to make the cake because Nazis are not a 'protected class'. Then I asked, "What if the Nazis were gay? If the baker refused to make the cake, he would be discriminating against gay people." Would that matter?

 
Old 01-04-2015, 09:07 AM
 
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In the R&S forum, there have been a few threads about people not providing a service because of religious or moral objections. For example, a religious photographer not wanting to photograph and document a gay wedding party.

Assume there was a Jewish baker whose grand-parents died in the Holocaust. Suppose a couple Nazis asked the baker to prepare a cake with "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler" on it, along with a few swastikas for good measure. If you were the baker, would you make the cake?

Some people thought the baker should not be required to make the cake because Nazis are not a 'protected class'. Then I asked, "What if the Nazis were gay? If the baker refused to make the cake, he would be discriminating against gay people." Would that matter?
They did not ask for a gay cake but a Nazi cake. Also is the bakery an LLC? If it is then it is a corporation and falls under the state laws regarding public service, a different matter than private services. If not then it depends on the relevant laws.

Or perhaps the baker should go the other way and make it as Nazi as possible - including cyanide pills.

Then there is this.
 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:10 AM
 
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If you were the baker, would you make the cake?
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They did not ask for a gay cake but a Nazi cake. Also is the bakery an LLC? If it is then it is a corporation and falls under the state laws regarding public service, a different matter than private services. If not then it depends on the relevant laws.

Or perhaps the baker should go the other way and make it as Nazi as possible - including cyanide pills.
I am hoping for a Yes or No answer to my simple question.
 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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I would not. I'd deal with the backlash (if there was any, anyway).
 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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I would not. I'd deal with the backlash (if there was any, anyway).
Thank you very much for the clear answer, Tikva.
 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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I would not. Respecting a Nazi and a murderer is not a protected class, nor is it an inherent trait. Spoiler alert: I would also not bake a cake celebrating the birth of Pol Pot, Stalin, Osama bin Ladin, Yigal Amir, Baruch Goldstein, or Meir Kahane. Equal opportunity for shutting down nuts of all persuasions.

To compare baking a cake for a Nazi to baking a cake for a gay couple is disingenous at best.
 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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I would not. Respecting a Nazi and a murderer is not a protected class, nor is it an inherent trait. Spoiler alert: I would also not bake a cake celebrating the birth of Pol Pot, Stalin, Osama bin Ladin, Yigal Amir, Baruch Goldstein, or Meir Kahane. Equal opportunity for shutting down nuts of all persuasions.

To compare baking a cake for a Nazi to baking a cake for a gay couple is disingenous at best.
You left Jummy Carter and Jeffrey Dahmer off your list.
 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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I agree with all except Meir Kahane.

כהנא צדק
 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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You left Jummy Carter and Jeffrey Dahmer off your list.


Edit: I wouldn't bake theflipflop a cake either. But I suspect he wouldn't make me one in return. Nothing to do with discrimination.
 
Old 01-04-2015, 11:00 AM
 
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No. Would you, Hiker?
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