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Old 04-28-2015, 04:01 AM
 
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I think the primary reason it's growing is because Orthodox Jews are currently breeding like rabbits.
I don't think it's that simple. Sure, that has something to do with it, but it isn't the whole picture.

The Conservative movement is dying, and doing so rather quickly. Those of us who identify with that group are starting to look at having making a decision: Are we going to be more comfortable in a Reform environment, or in an Orthodox environment?

I know that for me, the answer is the latter. Even now, I have some serious reservations with how the Conservative movement operates, particularly when it comes to halakhah; if there was a Modern Orthodox community in my area, I'd spend a fair amount of time there as it is. But if I am forced to choose before that and Reform, I'm going to go with Orthodox.
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I don't think it's that simple. Sure, that has something to do with it, but it isn't the whole picture.

The Conservative movement is dying, and doing so rather quickly. Those of us who identify with that group are starting to look at having making a decision: Are we going to be more comfortable in a Reform environment, or in an Orthodox environment?

I know that for me, the answer is the latter. Even now, I have some serious reservations with how the Conservative movement operates, particularly when it comes to halakhah; if there was a Modern Orthodox community in my area, I'd spend a fair amount of time there as it is. But if I am forced to choose before that and Reform, I'm going to go with Orthodox.
There's a wide gap between the Conservative movement today, and Modern Orthodoxy. This is due to both the Conservative movement going left as well as Modern Orthodoxy going to the right. I'm not even sure if there's such a thing called Modern Orthodoxy anymore, if you compare it to what it was 50 years ago. "Modern" has become somewhat of a pejorative and a lot of Orthodox people and groups like the RCA and Young Israel consider themselves "Centrist Orthodox".

I'm hoping that Open Orthodoxy can be a viable alternative. It's hard to find an open-minded but halachically observant community that welcomes people who don't fit into one single frum mold.
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Old 04-30-2015, 09:23 AM
 
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There is also a growing numbers of the Reform movement who moved away from the Orthodox and Conservative movement, if your not aware.
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:39 AM
 
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There is also a growing numbers of the Reform movement who moved away from the Orthodox and Conservative movement, if your not aware.
That happened 3 or 4 generations ago. It's exceptionally rare that Orthodox Jews become Reform Jews in our times. Some go off the detech and become agnostic and disaffected, but becoming Reform is just too far a distance for most OTD to go to.
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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What's OTD~?
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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What's OTD~?
Off the derech, ie, a Torah Obervant Jew who becomes "free" of the mitzvos.
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:55 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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What's OTD~?
Off The Derech (Road, Path). Depends on what's one perception is. Simply look at the 613 Mitzvot and do the best you can.
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Old 06-14-2015, 05:39 AM
 
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In my lifetime Haredi Jews will make up the majority of Israelis. Israeli secular folks have a birth rate of 3 children (still exceptionally high) whereas Ultra Orthodox Jews have 7-9 on average. Even accounting for one child going OTD and one dying, they will make up a the largest portion of Israeli society. They are 25% of Israeli first graders now and only 6% of the state as a whole. Before I die (I am 21) they will form the largest segment of Israel and get elected and do what must be done. Destroy the dome, and rebuild the temple.
Ultra Orthodox make up 9.9% (750,000) of the population in Israel and also make up a huge chuck of the unemployment. It is very far-fetched for you to claim that the Ultra Orthodox will surpass the other three groups of Jews who make up 5.5 million (65%) of the population to become the largest segment of Israel and get elected. Israel welcomed 27,993 new immigrants last year and the majority weren't even Ultra Orthodox in fact most were teenagers

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Old 06-14-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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Ultra Orthodox make up 9.9% (750,000) of the population in Israel and also make up a huge chuck of the unemployment

I agree with you that they are a chunk of the unemployed and also this happens in the USA and they reply on donations!
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Old 06-14-2015, 09:47 AM
 
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I agree with you that they are a chunk of the unemployed and also this happens in the USA and they reply on donations!
Do you have any data to support this claim? MOD CUT

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