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Old 03-23-2015, 08:01 PM
 
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This remains an unresolved debate in the minds of many friends of mine. Yes, I do have some friends. Albeit not too many.

Enter: Ayn Rand
Born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum
February 2, 1905
Saint Petersburg, Russian Empire

Enter: The Rebbe
Born April 5, 1902
Nikolaev, Kherson Governorate, Russian Empire (present-day Mykolaiv, Ukraine)

Both Russian-Jewish giants presented radically different mentalities and philosophical outlooks. Are the two at all reconcilable? The two being Objectivism and Chassidism. The former is anti-altruism and the latter is arguably all about altruism. What do you think? Can you have your Atlas Shrugged and your Tanya?
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Old 03-23-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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I know that Rabbi Schneerson was a true tzadick. His generosity knew no bounds, and his form of kiruv has changed the face of Torah Jewry worldwide.

I've heard of Rand but never read anything of hers. She sounds like a heretic. She could be president of the U.S. if still alive.
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Old 03-23-2015, 08:19 PM
 
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You're right Ayn Rand was a heretic and she was an avowed atheist not too dissimilar from the Soviets she loathed. What are your thoughts about The Rebbe potentially having been "Messiah" material? He certainly wasn't revealed as such and I know this is a very touchy subject. I apologize in advance if some find it unsettling.
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Old 03-23-2015, 08:33 PM
 
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He certainly wasn't revealed as such and I know this is a very touchy subject.
Since the Rebbe wasn't revealed as such, he was not Moshiach. It is only touchy to those who believe he was moshiach, which he wasn't.
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Old 03-23-2015, 09:07 PM
 
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Agreed. I've never wanted to vex my Chabadnik friends. But I never understood the Messianism some of them hold given that the Rebbe didn't fulfill many of the requirements of Messiah.
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Old 03-23-2015, 09:12 PM
 
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Most definitely not moschiach. But a great man nonetheless. And I have no connection with Chabad.
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Old 03-24-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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I don't think there are any Chabadniks on here, so you don't have to worry about offending people here.
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Old 03-24-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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I remember hearing a funny quip about Chabadniks, 80% of them believe he is or was Moshiach and the other 20% either don't know it or are liars! : )

Which one of those two Russian-Jews has impacted more lives? It's tough to say isn't it. I'd like to say the Rebbe, but then again Ayn Rand's writings for better or worse have inspired millions too. The greatest export in the waning days of the Russian Empire and also the waning days of the Soviet Empire was its brain power. Take Sergey Brin for example.
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Old 03-24-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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Agreed. I've never wanted to vex my Chabadnik friends. But I never understood the Messianism some of them hold given that the Rebbe didn't fulfill many of the requirements of Messiah.
You mean: He didn't fulfill ANY of the requirements.
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Old 03-24-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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Haha, I suppose you are right. Although, won't Messiah be a man and Jewish? In that respect, he presumably fulfilled those two. : )
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