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Occasionally there are Jewish men who disrupt flights demanding to be re-sat when they are sat next to a woman. They’re concerned they may transgress possibly a mitzvah d’oraisa, so they tend to be pretty motivated when they do so.
My Rav poskins that it mamish transgresses a mitzvah d’oraisa (from the Torah) to make a scene with such demands. The chilul hashem overweighs any concern of possibly having an arm, leg or foot touch a stranger woman.
Should a G-d fearing Jew find himself in this situation, he should bury his nose in a sefer and ask hashem why he merited to be placed in this situation.
We should find an answer to this problem! It seems to keep happening, every five to eight years or so.
it looks like on El Al airlines, those who decline assigned seats may be asked to leave plane. The CEO Gonen Ussishkin states, “From here on, travelers who refuse to sit next to another traveler will be removed expeditiously from the aircraft.”
IMHO, these extremists should charter their own private plane/s where they can make the rules that suit the traditions they feel comfortable with.
"extremists" ?? really?
that is rather strong language for a customer asking for a change in seating. airlines are in the customer service business, and this is something they do, they ask for volunteers to change seats to accommodate requests for a variety of reasons.
do you call the business man who asks not to sit next to the woman traveling with a baby an "extremist" because he wants a different seat?
do you call the wife an "extremist" who asks for someone to trade seats so she can sit next to her husband?
do you call the teenager an "extremist" who asks for someone to trade seats so she can sit next to her friend?
do you call the lady an "extremist" who asks for a different seat because she doesn't want to sit next to someone who is fat?
do you call the man an "extremist" who asks for a different seat because he has long legs and wants more leg room?
do you call the little girl an "extremist" because she wants a window seat to see outside?
all of those are real life examples that have happened to me on planes. and I don't even fly very often.
watch your language. because unless you call all those examples listed above "extremists" then your language is out of line. do you similarly advise all the examples listed above to "charter planes for travel where they can make the rules so they will feel comfortable"?
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 07-08-2018 at 03:56 PM..
"extremists" ?? really?
that is rather strong language for a customer asking for a change in seating. airlines are in the customer service business, and this is something they do, they ask for volunteers to change seats to accommodate requests for a variety of reasons.
do you call the business man who asks not to sit next to the woman traveling with a baby an "extremist" because he wants a different seat?
do you call the wife an "extremist" who asks for someone to trade seats so she can sit next to her husband?
do you call the teenager an "extremist" who asks for someone to trade seats so she can sit next to her friend?
do you call the lady an "extremist" who asks for a different seat because she doesn't want to sit next to someone who is fat?
do you call the man an "extremist" who asks for a different seat because he has long legs and wants more leg room?
do you call the little girl an "extremist" because she wants a window seat to see outside?
all of those are real life examples that have happened to me on planes. and I don't even fly very often.
watch your language. because unless you call all those examples listed above "extremists" then your language is out of line. do you similarly advise all the examples listed above to "charter planes for travel where they can make the rules so they will feel comfortable"?
I’m confused, which one were you, the business man, the wife, the teenager, the fat person, the long legged man or the little girl?...
"extremists" ?? really?
that is rather strong language for a customer asking for a change in seating. airlines are in the customer service business, and this is something they do, they ask for volunteers to change seats to accommodate requests for a variety of reasons.
do you call the business man who asks not to sit next to the woman traveling with a baby an "extremist" because he wants a different seat?
do you call the wife an "extremist" who asks for someone to trade seats so she can sit next to her husband?
do you call the teenager an "extremist" who asks for someone to trade seats so she can sit next to her friend?
do you call the lady an "extremist" who asks for a different seat because she doesn't want to sit next to someone who is fat?
do you call the man an "extremist" who asks for a different seat because he has long legs and wants more leg room?
do you call the little girl an "extremist" because she wants a window seat to see outside?
all of those are real life examples that have happened to me on planes. and I don't even fly very often.
watch your language. because unless you call all those examples listed above "extremists" then your language is out of line. do you similarly advise all the examples listed above to "charter planes for travel where they can make the rules so they will feel comfortable"?
Bravo, well said. I started this thread to show my Rav, who is as “shtark” as they come, poskins it’s not permissible to make drama when asking to be re-sat. It’s worse, however, to call G-d fearing Jews an extremist. That’s mamish chilul hashem.
"extremists" ?? really?
that is rather strong language for a customer asking for a change in seating. airlines are in the customer service business, and this is something they do, they ask for volunteers to change seats to accommodate requests for a variety of reasons.
do you call the business man who asks not to sit next to the woman traveling with a baby an "extremist" because he wants a different seat?
watch your language. because unless you call all those examples listed above "extremists" then your language is out of line. do you similarly advise all the examples listed above to "charter planes for travel where they can make the rules so they will feel comfortable"?
I didn't write anything inappropriate. Also I personally don't ask to change seats on planes just because someone has a baby (even though it might be disruptive to me) as I understand that I am sharing a plane ride with others and I need to accommodate them. If someone asks to change seats for other reasons, I can do so or decline according to the situation. But nobody can demand a seat change if the person already seated there refuses unless the airline crew request it for safety reasons, etc.
The Ultra Orthodox Jews share buses and trains and other forms of public transportation and have to travel with others just like on a shared plane ride.
The Ultra Orthodox Jews share buses and trains and other forms of public transportation and have to travel with others just like on a shared plane ride.
Ever traveled from Williamsburg to Boro Park or vice versa?
The Ultra Orthodox Jews share buses and trains and other forms of public transportation and have to travel with others just like on a shared plane ride.
Chava, the term “Ultra Orthodox “ is considered to be pejorative. You might not have known that.
Better to use one of these terms instead: Shomer Shabbos, G-d Fearing. Torah Observant. Etc.
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