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Here's something that I've been trying to figure out. Few questions for you all:
1) You believe that the Messiah will be a human being, a political figure, correct? This Messiah will not be considered God and will not be worshiped?
2) In Judaism, is there a belief of a singular Son of Man or a singular Son of God? I don't mean son(s) of God, the way Adam, the angels, Israel, peacemakers, etc, are called sons of God, but a Being named Son of God or Son of Man that is divine, yet distinct from God in some mystical way, and one that will be worshiped?
3) Is there a difference between the title son of God and son of man in Judaism? Son of man (according to Wikipedia), "denotes mankind generally in contrast to deity or godhead, with special reference to their weakness and frailty."Son of God (again from Wikipedia), "When used by the rabbis, the term referred to Israel or to human beings in general, and not as a reference to the Jewish mashiach.[32]"
So are these titles (with regard to human beings) used interchangeably?
4) Having done some research, I was unable to find consistent information about whether or not the Book of Enoch is accepted in Jewish orthodoxy. Some say it is, but it's kept "secret." Some sources say that it's not. Can anyone here shed some light on if it is or isn't accepted as a reliable, spiritual source to reference, please?
Here's something that I've been trying to figure out. Few questions for you all:
1) You believe that the Messiah will be a human being, a political figure, correct? This Messiah will not be considered God and will not be worshiped?
2) In Judaism, is there a belief of a singular Son of Man or a singular Son of God? I don't mean son(s) of God, the way Adam, the angels, Israel, peacemakers, etc, are called sons of God, but a Being named Son of God or Son of Man that is divine, yet distinct from God in some mystical way, and one that will be worshiped?
3) Is there a difference between the title son of God and son of man in Judaism? Son of man (according to Wikipedia), "denotes mankind generally in contrast to deity or godhead, with special reference to their weakness and frailty."Son of God (again from Wikipedia), "When used by the rabbis, the term referred to Israel or to human beings in general, and not as a reference to the Jewish mashiach.[32]"
So are these titles (with regard to human beings) used interchangeably?
4) Having done some research, I was unable to find consistent information about whether or not the Book of Enoch is accepted in Jewish orthodoxy. Some say it is, but it's kept "secret." Some sources say that it's not. Can anyone here shed some light on if it is or isn't accepted as a reliable, spiritual source to reference, please?
Here's something that I've been trying to figure out. Few questions for you all:
1) You believe that the Messiah will be a human being, a political figure, correct? This Messiah will not be considered God and will not be worshiped?
2) In Judaism, is there a belief of a singular Son of Man or a singular Son of God? I don't mean son(s) of God, the way Adam, the angels, Israel, peacemakers, etc, are called sons of God, but a Being named Son of God or Son of Man that is divine, yet distinct from God in some mystical way, and one that will be worshiped?
3) Is there a difference between the title son of God and son of man in Judaism? Son of man (according to Wikipedia), "denotes mankind generally in contrast to deity or godhead, with special reference to their weakness and frailty."Son of God (again from Wikipedia), "When used by the rabbis, the term referred to Israel or to human beings in general, and not as a reference to the Jewish mashiach.[32]"
So are these titles (with regard to human beings) used interchangeably?
4) Having done some research, I was unable to find consistent information about whether or not the Book of Enoch is accepted in Jewish orthodoxy. Some say it is, but it's kept "secret." Some sources say that it's not. Can anyone here shed some light on if it is or isn't accepted as a reliable, spiritual source to reference, please?
Thanks.
1. Correct, the messiah will be a man. He will reestablish the Davidic monarchy, rule as king, and then die.
2. No man will be divine, and no man will be worshiped. That would be idolatry.
3. I'll let someone better equipped answer this.
4. The Book of Enoch is not canonical.
Here's something that I've been trying to figure out. Few questions for you all:
1) You believe that the Messiah will be a human being, a political figure, correct? This Messiah will not be considered God and will not be worshiped?
Right -- a political/religious leader, fully human and not worshipped.
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2) In Judaism, is there a belief of a singular Son of Man or a singular Son of God? I don't mean son(s) of God, the way Adam, the angels, Israel, peacemakers, etc, are called sons of God, but a Being named Son of God or Son of Man that is divine, yet distinct from God in some mystical way, and one that will be worshiped?
No. We worship God. That's it.
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3) Is there a difference between the title son of God and son of man in Judaism? Son of man (according to Wikipedia), "denotes mankind generally in contrast to deity or godhead, with special reference to their weakness and frailty."Son of God (again from Wikipedia), "When used by the rabbis, the term referred to Israel or to human beings in general, and not as a reference to the Jewish mashiach.[32]"
The term "Son of man" appears in 2 basic forms -- ben enosh which appears once in Psalms and Ben Adam which appears often, a few times in jeremiah, once in Psalms, once in Daniel and a large number of times in Ezekiel. It refers to humans or a human. The phrase "Sons of God" is a term used to refer to a variety of things (from Angels to the children of Israel and others).
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So are these titles (with regard to human beings) used interchangeably?
No.
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4) Having done some research, I was unable to find consistent information about whether or not the Book of Enoch is accepted in Jewish orthodoxy. Some say it is, but it's kept "secret." Some sources say that it's not. Can anyone here shed some light on if it is or isn't accepted as a reliable, spiritual source to reference, please?
1. Correct, the messiah will be a man. He will reestablish the Davidic monarchy, rule as king, and then die.
2. No man will be divine, and no man will be worshiped. That would be idolatry.
3. I'll let someone better equipped answer this.
4. The Book of Enoch is not canonical.
Thank you.
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Even Wikipedia is not canonical.
AFAIK, the only rabbi posting here lately is rosends.
Oh, I know. Definitely wasn't treating it as Gospel.
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Right -- a political/religious leader, fully human and not worshipped.
No. We worship God. That's it.
The term "Son of man" appears in 2 basic forms -- ben enosh which appears once in Psalms and Ben Adam which appears often, a few times in jeremiah, once in Psalms, once in Daniel and a large number of times in Ezekiel. It refers to humans or a human. The phrase "Sons of God" is a term used to refer to a variety of things (from Angels to the children of Israel and others).
Thanks again for your help and for that link. If I can ask: Would you prefer I call you rosends, Rabbi or something else?
Regarding "sons of God", I have two questions:
1) In the Hebrew language, is the original word "Ben" plural or singular? Is it "sons of God" or is it a singular "son of God" that is then used in a plural sense?
2) Adam means man, but so does enosh, right? If so, where exactly is the connection between man and the word God that was used in its place in some (all?) translations?
Also, if I could please ask you two additional questions:
1) Do Jews believe in enlightenment that can take place in this world? Meaning, not knowing God in the world to come, but to some degree, knowing Him here and now, on an experiential level? Or will it always be intellectual, until one passes on?
2) Going back to the son of God reference, can you tell me what it was about the way Jesus used the term "Son of God", that made the Pharisees so angry? If every person is a son of God, why would they accuse Him of blasphemy? Does someone have the ability to use that term in a way that would imply that they were suggesting that they were God? I think this might take us right back to the Ben Adam/Enosh question.
More specifically, regarding question question 2 of the first set of questions: If the word Ben literally only means man (i.e. it doesn't mean God or man and God), why then is the word God used instead?
More specifically, regarding question question 2 of the first set of questions: If the word Ben literally only means man (i.e. it doesn't mean God or man and God), why then is the word God used instead?
My mistake. Yes, I meant Adam or Enosh, as mentioned above. If both Adam and Enosh means man, why use the translation "God?"
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