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Old 06-13-2019, 02:55 AM
 
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I have found in this forum a (not so) shocking lack of knowledge of Torah values. Everyone here can decide if their secular ways are morally equivalent to a Torah way. But at least now they’ve heard that the way Jews have lived the last 3,300 years is still alive and well. And it doesn’t look much like the way 85% of Jews conduct their lives today.
But you don't follow the written Torah, you follow your own version of the oral Torah (Talmud). You've often told us that the written Torah is worthless.

 
Old 06-13-2019, 03:05 AM
 
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But you don't follow the written Torah, you follow your own version of the oral Torah (Talmud). You've often told us that the written Torah is worthless.
Worthless without the Talmud or just worthless period?...
 
Old 06-13-2019, 06:29 AM
 
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Worthless without the Talmud or just worthless period?...
One who follows the written Torah without the benefit of the Talmud is a heretic.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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One who follows the Talmud without the benefit of the written Torah is a fool.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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One who follows the Talmud without the benefit of the written Torah is a fool.
I think they’re codependent...
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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One who follows the written Torah without the benefit of the Talmud is a heretic.
The origin or root of the Oral Law or Oral Tradition is the generation that built the golden calf.

It doesn't surprise me that they try to elevate it above the Torah, so much so, as to try too set the Torah aside.

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Old 06-13-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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So it looks like the original question was rhetorical, and designed to show everyone that goes to college what a bunch of immoral clods we are. Okay.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:18 PM
 
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One who follows the Talmud without the benefit of the written Torah is a fool.
Never met anyone who does that. That’s not a thing.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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So it looks like the original question was rhetorical, and designed to show everyone that goes to college what a bunch of immoral clods we are. Okay.
Depends. What do you do at college? Beer? Drugs? BDS? Social justice? Pre marital sex? I know you don’t, Chana. But most secular Jewish kids are doing some combo of those. All while being indoctrinated with homogeneous progressive values. No thanks.

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Old 06-13-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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Depends. What do you do at college? Beer? Drugs? BDS? Social justice? Pre marital sex? I know you don’t, Chana. But most secular Jewish kids are doing some combo of those. All while being indoctrinated with homogeneous progressive values. No thanks.
Sefer HaSichot 5752, p. 165.
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