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Old 10-14-2019, 04:00 AM
 
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Yes, the Saint Louis, subject of the book and/or movie Voyage of the Damned.
I am interested in reading about both people's education on that subject. Can you help me with a source?

You can read about Eleanor Roosevelt's efforts to save refuge children at the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM). Here is the direct link to their encyclopedia article on her: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...anor-roosevelt I'll try to find a book that goes into more depth on her education about Jews and Judaism.

Michael Slater is Emeritus Professor of Victorian Literature at Birkbeck College, University of London, and perhaps one of the foremost authorities on the life and works of Charles Dickens. His massive tome titled Charles Dickens (Yale University Press, 2009) reflects Slater's scholarship. I remember there was a section in the book on how Eliza Davis (a Jew) confronted Dickens over his antisemitism, and how she got him to reflect on and re-evaluate his opinions. I've just checked my public library's online catalog and I see that the book is available. I'll pick it up today and I'll later quote some of those passages for you.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:29 AM
 
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You can read about Eleanor Roosevelt's efforts to save refuge children at the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM). Here is the direct link to their encyclopedia article on her: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...anor-roosevelt I'll try to find a book that goes into more depth on her education about Jews and Judaism.

Michael Slater is Emeritus Professor of Victorian Literature at Birkbeck College, University of London, and perhaps one of the foremost authorities on the life and works of Charles Dickens. His massive tome titled Charles Dickens (Yale University Press, 2009) reflects Slater's scholarship. I remember there was a section in the book on how Eliza Davis (a Jew) confronted Dickens over his antisemitism, and how she got him to reflect on and re-evaluate his opinions. I've just checked my public library's online catalog and I see that the book is available. I'll pick it up today and I'll later quote some of those passages for you.
Thank you. That would really be appreciated. And is this the NYC Public Library?
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:40 AM
 
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Thank you. That would really be appreciated. And is this the NYC Public Library?

No, but I checked WorldCat and NYPL also has several copies of the book available.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:28 AM
 
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I've just checked my public library's online catalog and I see that the book is available. I'll pick it up today and I'll later quote some of those passages for you.

Ack! I forgot that today is Columbus Day and my library is closed. I'll pick up the book tomorrow and maybe start a new topic here on the subject of Victorian antisemitism and Jewish responses to it.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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Ack! I forgot that today is Columbus Day and my library is closed. I'll pick up the book tomorrow and maybe start a new topic here on the subject of Victorian antisemitism and Jewish responses to it.
Thanks.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:53 PM
 
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He was almost worshiped in my parent's generation, especially among Jews. Sadly, he was a fraud and they were wrong.

A bit off-topic and I beg your indulgence. FDR was influenced by his secretary of State, Cordell Hull, who told FDR not to accept the refugees from the St. Louis. The secretary of the treasury, Henry Morgenthau (Robert's father) urged FDR to allow the ship come to the States, but Hull convinced FDR that it would not be politically advantageous. Even worse, during the war, American Jews tried to send money to rescue Romanian Jews, but there is or was a law that stipulated money sent out of the US during War time needed two government agencies to sign a release. Henry Morgenthau of the Treasury Department signed on, but Hull delayed and delayed the required signature from the State Department, while many Romanian Jews were massacred. Eleanor was instrumental in over riding Hull in order for the Jews aboard the SS Quanza to receive visas and disembark in Virginia just before the US entered WWII. Historically, the US State Department has been unhelpful in Jewish affairs.
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Old 10-16-2019, 06:58 AM
 
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A bit off-topic and I beg your indulgence. FDR was influenced by his secretary of State, Cordell Hull, who told FDR not to accept the refugees from the St. Louis. The secretary of the treasury, Henry Morgenthau (Robert's father) urged FDR to allow the ship come to the States, but Hull convinced FDR that it would not be politically advantageous. Even worse, during the war, American Jews tried to send money to rescue Romanian Jews, but there is or was a law that stipulated money sent out of the US during War time needed two government agencies to sign a release. Henry Morgenthau of the Treasury Department signed on, but Hull delayed and delayed the required signature from the State Department, while many Romanian Jews were massacred. Eleanor was instrumental in over riding Hull in order for the Jews aboard the SS Quanza to receive visas and disembark in Virginia just before the US entered WWII. Historically, the US State Department has been unhelpful in Jewish affairs.

Great historical note, Coney. Many thanks for mentioning how Eleanor Roosevelt worked behind the scenes to help the Jews. I've visited Val-Kill Cottage in upstate New York (Eleanor's private retreat) and I was deeply impressed by how humble and modestly furnished her home was, and how she made use of it to establish an experimental furniture factory to train local people in these skills. The place is a National Historic Site, and you can read about it at this link: https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/presid...t_valkill.html
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:44 AM
 
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A bit off-topic and I beg your indulgence. FDR was influenced by his secretary of State, Cordell Hull, who told FDR not to accept the refugees from the St. Louis. The secretary of the treasury, Henry Morgenthau (Robert's father) urged FDR to allow the ship come to the States, but Hull convinced FDR that it would not be politically advantageous. Even worse, during the war, American Jews tried to send money to rescue Romanian Jews, but there is or was a law that stipulated money sent out of the US during War time needed two government agencies to sign a release. Henry Morgenthau of the Treasury Department signed on, but Hull delayed and delayed the required signature from the State Department, while many Romanian Jews were massacred. Eleanor was instrumental in over riding Hull in order for the Jews aboard the SS Quanza to receive visas and disembark in Virginia just before the US entered WWII. Historically, the US State Department has been unhelpful in Jewish affairs.
Great historical note, Coney. Many thanks for mentioning how Eleanor Roosevelt worked behind the scenes to help the Jews. I've visited Val-Kill Cottage in upstate New York (Eleanor's private retreat) and I was deeply impressed by how humble and modestly furnished her home was, and how she made use of it to establish an experimental furniture factory to train local people in these skills. The place is a National Historic Site, and you can read about it at this link: https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/presid...t_valkill.html
Great points people. Two remarks: 1) FDR, and not Cordell Hull was the President. And Hull was chosen by FDR; and 2) Harry Truman, himself no lover of the Jews as a group, took the bull by the horns and recognized the formation of the State of Israel. Truman was an example in how things should be done. Roosevelt does not deserve his reputation in history.
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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Great points people. Two remarks: 1) FDR, and not Cordell Hull was the President. And Hull was chosen by FDR; and 2) Harry Truman, himself no lover of the Jews as a group, took the bull by the horns and recognized the formation of the State of Israel. Truman was an example in how things should be done. Roosevelt does not deserve his reputation in history.
You are correct. FDR made the ultimate decision. Hull pointed out how politically disadvantageous it would be for FDR to assist the Jews as refugees and in Europe. The State Department has a history of not being sympathetic to Jews. Morgenthau tried, but ultimately, his arguments were not heeded by FDR. Hull was a Tennessean who received the Nobel Peace Prize for the establishment of the U.N. Hull and FDR were the architects of The Good Neighbor policy and he did develop the Hull Doctrine. My point is that it is never black and white. Both Hull and FDR are responsible for some good things for this country and they are also responsible for some terrible decisions regarding the Jews. Hull was a southerner and he was known for his personal anti-Semitism.

Truman initially was opposed to the establishment of the State of Israel. He went back and forth on the issue.

Nancy Pelosi's father, Thomas D'Alessandro, Jr. tried to help the Jews during WWII as well, and convince FDR to provide assistance. You can read about him in this article. https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-...-the-Holocaust
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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You are correct. FDR made the ultimate decision. Hull pointed out how politically disadvantageous it would be for FDR to assist the Jews as refugees and in Europe. The State Department has a history of not being sympathetic to Jews. Morgenthau tried, but ultimately, his arguments were not heeded by FDR. Hull was a Tennessean who received the Nobel Peace Prize for the establishment of the U.N. Hull and FDR were the architects of The Good Neighbor policy and he did develop the Hull Doctrine. My point is that it is never black and white. Both Hull and FDR are responsible for some good things for this country and they are also responsible for some terrible decisions regarding the Jews. Hull was a southerner and he was known for his personal anti-Semitism.

Truman initially was opposed to the establishment of the State of Israel. He went back and forth on the issue.

Nancy Pelosi's father, Thomas D'Alessandro, Jr. tried to help the Jews during WWII as well, and convince FDR to provide assistance. You can read about him in this article. https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-...-the-Holocaust

I did not know this! Many thanks for that link!:


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Not only was she the first woman Speaker of the House to address Israel's lawmakers, Pelosi was also addressing the parliament of a country whose creation her own father championed, at the risk of his career - and perhaps her career, as well. Speaker Pelosi's father, the late US congressman Thomas D'Alesandro, Jr., of Maryland, was known as a Roosevelt Democrat. What is not widely known is that D'Alesandro broke ranks with president Franklin D. Roosevelt on the issues of rescuing Jews from Hitler and creating a Jewish State.
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