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I think it is a point because all the arguments and outrage are going lost on them, they'll never acknowledge that their wrong...
So by that logic, we shouldn't call out Nazis and Nazism.
My "arguments" also took a New York minute to write, and my "outrage" is on the level of an extended eyeroll, so this exercise takes up very little time and headspace for me.
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So by that logic, we shouldn't call out Nazis and Nazism.
My "arguments" also took a New York minute to write, and my "outrage" is on the level of an extended eyeroll, so this exercise takes up very little time and headspace for me.
I never made those statements but just like those that spout that kind of hatred their not going to listen to fact and logic......
I never made those statements but just like those that spout that kind of hatred their not going to listen to fact and logic......
I never said you made that statement, but it follows the same logic.
Notwithstanding my original comment, I also think there's hope for some people who participate in, but don't really understand the meaning of, these "Seders." Not everyone is an agent provocateur (no disrespect intended to the best-selling Foreigner album). Some people are just ignorant and might reexamine their behavior when they realize how their behavior is disrespectful of others.
I never said you made that statement, but it follows the same logic.
Notwithstanding my original comment, I also think there's hope for some people who participate in, but don't really understand the meaning of, these "Seders." Not everyone is an agent provocateur (no disrespect intended to the best-selling Foreigner album). Some people are just ignorant and might reexamine their behavior when they realize how their behavior is disrespectful of others.
I am always in favor of education -- for those who are willing to listen and learn. Perhaps if more people were willing to listen and learn, "counsel culture" would replace "cancel culture."
Hmmm... I bought lamb for Sunday, thinking "Paschal Lamb for Passover!" My parents are having ham for their Easter celebration and I thought, "I'll have lamb for dinner after my Seder." I'll save it for after Passover. Maybe I'll have fish instead.
I sent this article to a friend yesterday and she isn't Jewish, but felt so awful reading this too. Christians have Easter; Easter usually falls around Passover. Why can't they just stick to their own holidays? Sometimes I think some are just so stuck up and want to put Jesus in everything and get offended if you call them out.
Rachel, I'm also in favour of replacing "counsel culture" instead of "cancel culture." We do better when we learn, and we do better when we don't hide horrible histories. Besides, more young people are apt to learn by counselling rather than cancellation.
Or, at the very least, Christians could simply continue with their Easter Sunday meal (featuring the traditional baked ham that may have originally been intended to show that the participants were not Jewish). .
I am always in favor of education -- for those who are willing to listen and learn. Perhaps if more people were willing to listen and learn, "counsel culture" would replace "cancel culture."
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Hmmm... I bought lamb for Sunday, thinking "Paschal Lamb for Passover!" My parents are having ham for their Easter celebration and I thought, "I'll have lamb for dinner after my Seder." I'll save it for after Passover. Maybe I'll have fish instead.
I sent this article to a friend yesterday and she isn't Jewish, but felt so awful reading this too. Christians have Easter; Easter usually falls around Passover. Why can't they just stick to their own holidays? Sometimes I think some are just so stuck up and want to put Jesus in everything and get offended if you call them out.
Rachel, I'm also in favour of replacing "counsel culture" instead of "cancel culture." We do better when we learn, and we do better when we don't hide horrible histories. Besides, more young people are apt to learn by counselling rather than cancellation.
Jess, don’t feel too bad about buying lamb. While I certainly never had lamb at my Seders growing up, I didn’t realize until fairly recently that it’s customary to not dine on lamb during Seders—not that I generally fancy myself as a paragon of Jewish theological wisdom.
Fish is a good choice. Brisket is another favorite on American Jewish Seder dinner tables. If you’re not aware of this already, be mindful that if you’re keeping kosher, mixing fish and meat is frowned upon, even though fish is technically pareve.
I have mixed feelings on cancel culture generally, but aside from the most egregious of offenses, there should be room for redemption—otherwise, people have no incentive to change their behavior.
Hmmm... I bought lamb for Sunday, thinking "Paschal Lamb for Passover!" My parents are having ham for their Easter celebration and I thought, "I'll have lamb for dinner after my Seder." I'll save it for after Passover. Maybe I'll have fish instead.
I'm not certain about this, but I think that eschewing lamb for the Seder meal is an Ashkenazic custom. I have heard that the Sephardim often have lamb for the Seder meal. Perhaps you might want to research this for us, Jess?
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I sent this article to a friend yesterday and she isn't Jewish, but felt so awful reading this too. Christians have Easter; Easter usually falls around Passover. Why can't they just stick to their own holidays? Sometimes I think some are just so stuck up and want to put Jesus in everything and get offended if you call them out.
It does seem as though some people feel a need to interject their Savior into everything, doesn't it? I think it may be an ingrained missionary imperative. This is why a Christianized Seder is especially hurtful to Jews.
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Rachel, I'm also in favour of replacing "counsel culture" instead of "cancel culture." We do better when we learn, and we do better when we don't hide horrible histories. Besides, more young people are apt to learn by counselling rather than cancellation.
I agree. Unfortunately, there are way too many people who don't have any interest in learning how and why some things they say and do are hurtful to others. They don't really care. We are in the midst of a "careless culture."
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My own short answer to that question is: "No, it is not okay."
How do you feel about it?
I'm a Christian who has been to one of these "Seders", and I agree with you. It is not OK.
I was taking a theological study course some years back, and since one participant was a woman who had a Jewish mother and a Christian father but who had not been raised with either religion but observed the Jewish holidays and was exploring both sides of her roots, the priest decided we would do a "Seder" modified to include some Christian stuff at the end.
I participated, but it felt wrong. They were not my words to say or hear. My people were not in bondage in Egypt. It's a fascinating spiritual story, but it belongs to the Jews and not to anyone else. I won't ever participate in something like that again.
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