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There really should'nt be any arguments about this coz more than 90% of Israel's jewish population are not even descended from semitic jews ie jews by faith rather than genes. :cool:
According to Studies Show Jews’ Genetic Similarity, a fairly recent new study shows that Jews from Europe and the Middle East share the same genetic ancestry (with a little Italian DNA thrown in), and that they're from the Mideast, which is part of West Asia (West Orient).
Unless you're just an anti Semite to begin with, you're misguided. The "Chosen People" are "Israel" and there are 12 Tribes to it. Yahudah(the Jews) are ONE of those and happen to be the "banner tribe" of Israel, but otherwise where are the rest? Ahh that would be the "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" who are preserved and will be gathered in the end times back to YHVH as HE promised. If you are "outside the camp" of Israel better jump on board and graft in as was suggested. Otherwise you are NOT part of the Promise. Just that simple........oh I forgot you like to complicate things and twist the truth. Good luck with that.......
Um dcisive, that's not exactly a Jewish view in the post above. I just want that to be clear to others here. "We're not looking to add any converts at this time. The practice is full." Although we would never discourage others from living moral lives, whether as Chrstians, Muslim, Athiests - whatever they choose. Just follow the 7 Noahide Laws, and you're set in both this world, and the world to come.
Well..........if one wants a complete picture of the whole, then yes, absolutely, the Jews are the chosen to have presented the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob to the world.
They were first and the Gentiles second.
"The first shall be last and the last first".
In that statement lies the mystery if........one has understanding.
If one is a Jew, thinks like a Jew and acts like a Jew, than a Jew it is.
If one is a Christian, thinks like a Christian acts like a Christian, than the Christian is the last, as in the only way, the path and the truth to the Father.
Otherwise, leave Jesus out, and remain a first.
I'll leave you with this verse: Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, (First or last) there is neither bond nor free, (law and grace) there is neither male nor female: (same spirit both in a male and the female) for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
In other words, we are all the chosen after that of Jesus.
A people writes an ethnocentric book which implies they are supposed to be the head of all nations, that claims their god is better and greater than everybody else's (eventually evolving to the idea their god is the ONLY god there is) topped off by the idea they are that god's special and chosen people and the rest of the world is just supposed to say, "oh, okay?"
Well, I'm God's other secret son he had with a Sumerian woman in 4364 B.C.
A circular argument might make it invalid in a debating club, but not in reality.
You can take the Bible in two ways:
1. Jews self-servingly wrote that they were the chosen people and proceeded to act accordingly, or
2. God did tell Jews that they were chosen people and guided them to act accordingly.
You are as blindly subscribing to #1 (*) as true believers subscribe to #2. But logic, reason, cause-and-effect all ultimately come out of the empirical truth. They can explain reality but you need some underlying empirical observations to support them.
(*) And I can understand why; no one I know of or heard of has talked to God, so why believe that ancient Jews did? But that's just absence of proof, not proof of the opposite.
Tangentially, doesn't evolution also employ circular reasoning? "Survival of the fittest." "Who are the fittest?" "Those who survived." And yet you (or at least I) would not say that evolution is fiction.
the Jews are God's "chosen people" just because the Bible says so?
Probably not. More likely, the Bible says so because we are God's Chosen People. "Chosen for what?" would be a logical next question, but since you like talking about "Palestineans," I'll note that according to Roman naming concepts and English choice of etymology, we Jews are apparently the only Palestineans around today. Plishtim? They're gone, and were since before the Romans. That is exactly (dafke, in Hebrew or Yeshivish or whatever) why the Romans chose that name for Eretz Yisroel. The twentieth-century Arab immigrants to Eretz Yisroel are not Plishtim, they are Arabs.
Probably not. More likely, the Bible says so because we are God's Chosen People. "Chosen for what?" would be a logical next question, but since you like talking about "Palestineans," I'll note that according to Roman naming concepts and English choice of etymology, we Jews are apparently the only Palestineans around today. Plishtim? They're gone, and were since before the Romans. That is exactly (dafke, in Hebrew or Yeshivish or whatever) why the Romans chose that name for Eretz Yisroel. The twentieth-century Arab immigrants to Eretz Yisroel are not Plishtim, they are Arabs.
History proves what chosen means lol, but I don't think Deguire is gonna be answering, he hasn't posted in ten years.
Chosen means Hashem lifted a mountain over our heads at Mount Sinai and asked us if we’d like to observe the laws in the Torah. “Um, there’s a mountain about to be dropped on us. Na’ase v’mishma (we will do, then we’ll learn what’s in that book)!!!
Chosen means Hashem lifted a mountain over our heads at Mount Sinai and asked us if we’d like to observe the laws in the Torah. “Um, there’s a mountain about to be dropped on us. Na’ase v’mishma (we will do, then we’ll learn what’s in that book)!!!
LOL! Great way of defining "chosen"!
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