09-10-2010, 07:06 AM
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Kansas reportedly offers $5 million incentive to group to move from Missouri - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/09/2211231/kansas-reportedly-offers-5-million.html - broken link)
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The nonprofit organization, the oldest association of state officials in the country, employs 460 people locally with an average salary of $64,500. It has been at Crown Center for 10 years and based in Kansas City for 26 years.
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Across the border, the Sprint campus in Overland Park is hoping to lure yet another Kansas City firm.
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“It’s frustrating, because we go in with a good competitive offer. Moving a business eight or 10 miles across the state line is an absurd place to find ourselves in as a region.”
Only kansas people can see any good in this...
09-10-2010, 07:37 AM
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Kansas reportedly offers $5 million incentive to group to move from Missouri - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/09/09/2211231/kansas-reportedly-offers-5-million.html - broken link)
Again, you miss the mark.
No, it isn't good. It sucks.
But whining about it is a waste of time and money. They better get their butts back to the drawing board and fast!
It's a challenge, yes. It's a tough challenge. But it's not an impossible situation. To paraphrase Albert Einstein: The significant problems KC faces cannot be solved at the same level of thinking they were at when the problems arose.
This is the same conversation I have with my kid when he complains about being beaten in a competitive situation: You have two choices: Quit or work harder. Your call.
09-10-2010, 09:01 AM
Location: Old Hyde Park, Kansas City,MO
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If you really want to dig deeper into this technically we don't even really need Office Buildings at all. The way communication has been everyone could basically just work from there home via remote log in and things like that. Jetblue's reservations and customer service centers are all done at home by housewives in Utah or something. I really could work from home if i wanted too, i know tons of other people who just work from home.
09-10-2010, 09:18 AM
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If you really want to dig deeper into this technically we don't even really need Office Buildings at all. The way communication has been everyone could basically just work from there home via remote log in and things like that. Jetblue's reservations and customer service centers are all done at home by housewives in Utah or something. I really could work from home if i wanted too, i know tons of other people who just work from home.
Yep. Telecommuting is definitely changing the face of business and will continue to do so.
09-10-2010, 10:39 AM
Location: Washington, DC area
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Again, you miss the mark.
No, it isn't good. It sucks.
But whining about it is a waste of time and money. They better get their butts back to the drawing board and fast!
It's a challenge, yes. It's a tough challenge. But it's not an impossible situation. To paraphrase Albert Einstein: The significant problems KC faces cannot be solved at the same level of thinking they were at when the problems arose.
This is the same conversation I have with my kid when he complains about being beaten in a competitive situation: You have two choices: Quit or work harder. Your call.
I don't believe you when you say "it sucks" because I know what you really want to say is "well, good for Kansas, tough cookie for kcmo".
That is the typical attitude you will find from KS side residents and it goes right along with "well, it's kcmo's fault they suck at everything and they are running the companies off to kansas". That is the other general viewpoint which has been displayed by most ks side forum members on this forum.
You want kcmo to go back to the drawing board? And do what? Offer existing companies a deal of no taxes? Do you seriously think that it's in the best interest of any city to basically let companies office for free just to keep them from going to kansas? You might get by with it once, but then everybody will want the same incentives or they too will threaten to leave.
Do you realize that most metropolitan areas have strong regional alliances? They have regular mayors caucuses, regional economic development alliances, even revenue sharing among suburbs and counties? Now this won't stop all competition, but greatly reduces it form what goes on in KC. The fierce one sided battle over companies between a core city and a suburban county exists no place else to the extent it does in KC. Has the mayor of Overland Park even met the any of the MO side mayors? I mean it is the second largest city in the metro. But to KCMO, the city of OP is nothing more than an enemy, rival, competitor etc.
It's not like KCMO and the MO side have not tried to create such alliances. As I have mentioned before, days after a regional alliance summit, Overland Park announced it was offering close to 50 million in incentives to lure over long-time kcmo pharmaceuticals company Quintiles to a new building. They were doing this while the summit was taking place.
It killed the momentum of the summit and the metro once again went its separate ways.
Every city has large corporate suburbs that compete to some degree with their urban cores, but most have a civil level of respect for each other and avoid what is going on in KC.
The friction and resentment in metro KC with the state line is already off the charts and it's getting worse by the month. You can tell in the the tone of the voice of Bill Lucus. That is a guy that would probably give up a lease if it were in the best interest of the community. He runs the two Crown Center hotels, yet is probably th biggest advocate of building a downtown hotel that would no doubt compete with the Hyatt and Westin because he gets what the overall benefits to having a busy and active destination downtown are, even if it will create major competition for his office, retail and hotels in crown center.
The way JoCo and the KS side continues to interact with KCMO and MO will forever be metro KC's big FAIL and keep the city stuck in a rut.
Google metropolitan cooporation and denver, minneapolis, portland, indianapolis etc. I dare you. What you find might shock you.
I'm not sure why I care anymore. I don't live there. It's like watching a relative die of cancer though. Metro KC is self destructing and even the people of johnson county will eventially pay the price right along side kcmo.
09-10-2010, 02:30 PM
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The only jobs where you really need to be at the place are crap jobs like fast food, resturants, retail and cutural things
Are you sure about that? Every job, other than the ones mentioned, can be accomplished while sitting on one's ass at a computer terminal? Is beer made online?
I suggest that pretty much the only jobs that can be done at home are the ones which can be done away with entirely or exported to a third-world country.
09-10-2010, 02:43 PM
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I don't believe you when you say "it sucks" because I know what you really want to say is "well, good for Kansas, tough cookie for kcmo".
You just put a bunch of words in my mouth. That's called "straw man" arguing. You are arguing against what you say I said, instead of what I really said. If you you aren't going to take what I say at face value, then why bother discussing anything?
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That is the other general viewpoint which has been displayed by most ks side forum members on this forum.
Then you attribute the same straw man to others in general.
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You want kcmo to go back to the drawing board? And do what? Offer existing companies a deal of no taxes?
Maybe. Or something else. It seems that OP has looked at tax incentives as an "investment" and it seems to be one that has paid off.
I don't know what will work. But I know that whining won't help at all.
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Do you realize that most metropolitan areas have strong regional alliances? They have regular mayors caucuses, regional economic development alliances, even revenue sharing among suburbs and counties? Now this won't stop all competition, but greatly reduces it form what goes on in KC. The fierce one sided battle over companies between a core city and a suburban county exists no place else to the extent it does in KC. Has the mayor of Overland Park even met the any of the MO side mayors? I mean it is the second largest city in the metro. But to KCMO, the city of OP is nothing more than an enemy, rival, competitor etc.
More finger pointing, more blaming, more whining. But still no looking in the mirror.
KC's idea of "regional alliance" has a history of being pretty one-sided. KC also has a history of bad financial decisions, waste and corruption within their city government. They have quite a bit of legwork to do before they can expect OP to step up to plate with them and "cooperate". But you seem to have a very hard time recognizing or admitting this.
09-10-2010, 03:57 PM
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Samantha S
Again, you miss the mark.
No, it isn't good. It sucks.
But whining about it is a waste of time and money. They better get their butts back to the drawing board and fast!
It's a challenge, yes. It's a tough challenge. But it's not an impossible situation. To paraphrase Albert Einstein: The significant problems KC faces cannot be solved at the same level of thinking they were at when the problems arose.
This is the same conversation I have with my kid when he complains about being beaten in a competitive situation: You have two choices: Quit or work harder. Your call.
I don't know whether I'm going to be able to get this thought across sensibly or not, but I'm going to give it a try. Respectfully, Samantha, I'm confused.
I find the highlighted comment puzzling when viewed against the big-picture of most of the rest of your commentary in this ongoing tug-of-war with kcmo because it makes a moral or ethical judgment on the issue (that I don't share, by the way) that would seem to be in harmony with his.
If I shared his viewpoint from a moral/ethical standpoint, I would be right there with him in fighting the individual battles that he has been waging because it would be the right thing to do. It just seems to me that if the events in question really do "suck" for the people of the KC metro area, then kcmo's stance should be applauded and supported consistently as he has poured his heart and a lot of time and effort into it and has very articulately stated his case. I respect that, but I see the world very differently than he does. Downtown ballparks is a prime example of our diametrically opposed viewpoints, but is beside the point of this post.
Not that it matters whether I understand, but I don't get the seeming to agree in principle and yet continuing to battle in the trenches.
09-10-2010, 04:03 PM
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I have a solution to keep Johnson County and Jackson county at odds... the businesses can moove to Orlando where the weather is so much nicer.. Come on down we would love to welcome you :-)
09-10-2010, 05:36 PM
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Thanks for the offer, but I've already been to Florida once.
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Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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