The Missouri side continues to pull away, building more new homes than the KS side. (Overland: neighborhoods, schools)

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by s.davis

Head/Sand.

You are right.

I mean, KCMO faces a constant battle from Lee’s Summit, Liberty, Blue Springs, Gladstone, etc because the local suburban leaders backed by the state of Missouri throw tens of millions of dollars’ worth of local and state tax money to lure downtown companies to Missouri side office parks. Oh wait, that doesn’t happen…

And People in Liberty, Raytown, Lee’s Summit, Independence etc frown on supporting KCMO assets like the Zoo because they buy tickets and that’s enough! Oh wait, there is a MO side cultural tax that funds the zoo and KCMO has passed several taxes to build it and expand it. Nevermind.

And Jackson County for sure hates the idea of transit into KCMO. Well, except that all the suburban mayors back the idea and polls show a 60% support for regional rail into KC, so nevermind.

And the stadiums are not supported because they buy tickets and that's enough! Well, except for that sales tax that people across the entire county from as far away as Martin City and Grain Valley pay for every single purchase they make. Not to mention the state and city subsidy that they fund indirectly as well as residents outside of Jackson County so nevermind.

And the flung suburban Northland areas of KCMO city limits just hate the idea of supporting KCMO south of the river attractions, museums etc, well except they have voted yes to almost everything from the WWI Museum, to the Zoo to Union Station (they still fund Union Station via property taxes). The Northland of KCMO has voted yes to subsidize the public hospitals like Truman Medical Center, they have voted to improve the city’s homeless shelters, they have voted to improve infrastructure south of the river many time over. They have even come close to passing light rail initiatives that come nowhere near them and tens of thousands of them pay the etax and yet you barely hear a word about it while the few JoCo people that pay the tax are always complaining about it.

There is a difference between the MO side suburban areas and the KS side suburban areas. The MO side contributes, the KS side uses. And the MO side simly does not go after KCMo companies. They ahve even stated that they wouldn't do it even if they had the money to throw around. There is far more "respect" on the MO side for KCMO and each other. (Blue Springs won't go after a Lee's Summit company, while Lenexa will poach from Overland Park in a heartbeat).

If my head is in the sand, it’s because I stuck my head in there looking to find your entire body which is buried in it.

[CJdekc]

Originally Posted by kcmo

You are right.

I mean, KCMO faces a constant battle from Lee’s Summit, Liberty, Blue Springs, Gladstone, etc because the local suburban leaders backed by the state of Missouri throw tens of millions of dollars’ worth of local and state tax money to lure downtown companies to Missouri side office parks. Oh wait, that doesn’t happen…

And People in Liberty, Raytown, Lee’s Summit, Independence etc frown on supporting KCMO assets like the Zoo because they buy tickets and that’s enough! Oh wait, there is a MO side cultural tax that funds the zoo and KCMO has passed several taxes to build it and expand it. Nevermind.

And Jackson County for sure hates the idea of transit into KCMO. Well, except that all the suburban mayors back the idea and polls show a 60% support for regional rail into KC, so nevermind.

And the stadiums are not supported because they buy tickets and that's enough! Well, except for that sales tax that people across the entire county from as far away as Martin City and Grain Valley pay for every single purchase they make. Not to mention the state and city subsidy that they fund indirectly as well as residents outside of Jackson County so nevermind.

And the flung suburban Northland areas of KCMO city limits just hate the idea of supporting KCMO south of the river attractions, museums etc, well except they have voted yes to almost everything from the WWI Museum, to the Zoo to Union Station (they still fund Union Station via property taxes). The Northland of KCMO has voted yes to subsidize the public hospitals like Truman Medical Center, they have voted to improve the city’s homeless shelters, they have voted to improve infrastructure south of the river many time over. They have even come close to passing light rail initiatives that come nowhere near them and tens of thousands of them pay the etax and yet you barely hear a word about it while the few JoCo people that pay the tax are always complaining about it.

There is a difference between the MO side suburban areas and the KS side suburban areas. The MO side contributes, the KS side uses. And the MO side simly does not go after KCMo companies. They ahve even stated that they wouldn't do it even if they had the money to throw around. There is far more "respect" on the MO side for KCMO and each other. (Blue Springs won't go after a Lee's Summit company, while Lenexa will poach from Overland Park in a heartbeat).

If my head is in the sand, it’s because I stuck my head in there looking to find your entire body which is buried in it.

I agree with you, just in case nobody else sees it the way you do. KC metro area could be a lot better if we had better regional cooperation. My school (UMKC) had a presentation on how it (the business poaching) was hurting the KC economy, I couldn't make it, but wish i did

[Truly Missouri]

^ You make me want to go back and sneak in. When I was a teenager I would sneak in to play racquetball, basketball, gym etc. I would love to participate in that class. If only you could've attended.

It's funny how there's a certain minority in this forum who think that discussing these issues should be off limits. As if the people who do so are trolls. UMKC is dicussing these issues, kcbizjounal constantly is, and just how many articles and news segments within the past year alone from the likes of kmbc 9, fox4, kc star, etc etc etc. These people need to get in better touch with KCMO and realize that poaching and border war issues are very relevant topics (ongoing topics) for this region. And forum.

[CJdekc]

Originally Posted by Truly Missouri

^ You make me want to go back and sneak in. When I was a teenager I would sneak in to play racquetball, basketball, gym etc. I would love to participate in that class. If only you could've attended.

It's funny how there's a certain minority in this forum who think that discussing these issues should be off limits. As if the people who do so are trolls. UMKC is dicussing these issues, kcbizjounal constantly is, and just how many articles and news segments within the past year alone from the likes of kmbc 9, fox4, kc star, etc etc etc. These people need to get in better touch with KCMO and realize that poaching and border war issues are very relevant topics (ongoing topics) for this region. And forum.

Yup its so true, People around here really disappoint me sometimes. Something needs to be done soon, KC is lagging behind everyone else in terms of job creation.

[kcmo]

2016 housing permit stats released today. This is for single family and multi-family. I'm not sure if this includes renovated structures in KCMO.

MO Side 5419 new permits
Jackson 2311, Clay 1548, Platte 962, Cass 598

KS Side 3979 new permits
Johnson 3461, Leavenworth 246, Wyandotte 272

Top permitting cities:
KCMO 3177
Overland Park 1227
Olathe 813
Lenexa 660
Lee's Summit 445
Shawnee 443
KCK 245
Blue Springs 223
Raymore 219
Platte County 126
Smithville 126
Grain Valley 112
Belton 104

[luzianne]

^^^^^LOTS less open land in Johnson, Leavenworth and Wyandotte County combined than there is in Jackson, Clay, Platte and Cass combined. So that's really no surprise. The only way you could build a new house in lots of Johnson County would be to tear down an existing house and build it.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by luzianne

^^^^^LOTS less open land in Johnson, Leavenworth and Wyandotte County combined than there is in Jackson, Clay, Platte and Cass combined. So that's really no surprise. The only way you could build a new house in lots of Johnson County would be to tear down an existing house and build it.

Johnson County is not even 50% developed. There is PLENTY of room for more sprawl there. Nearly all new housing starts in JoCo are not infill, but outer sprawl new construction. Development in JoCo is EXACTLY THE SAME as you see in the growing parts of the Northland and Jackson County. Clay, Jackson and Platte all have river valleys and flood plains that create more gaps in development, similar to JoCo west of 435. Look at google earth along 152 where 90% of Northland growth is occurring in that relatively small corridor. New development on the edges of slightly older development. It doesn’t matter that Clay and Platte County go much further north. Nothing is happening up there. The areas of the northland where most of the growth is taking place is actually a smaller area than in JoCo. Nearly all of the housing starts in Clay County are in the relatively small Shoal Creek area, while JoCo is building homes in the far reaches of Overland Park, Olathe , Lenexa and Shawnee, a much larger geographic area.

Your argument makes no sense. The reason the MO side is growing much faster is because there are so many more options and more counties that people want to live in plus downtown, midtown etc are hot. The entire state of Kansas has one county people want to live in and they might even mess that up if they keep de-funding the schools. I'll let you have the last word so this thread is not closed like all the others you touch.

[luzianne]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Your argument makes no sense. The reason the MO side is growing much faster is because there are so many more options and more counties that people want to live in plus downtown, midtown etc are hot. The entire state of Kansas has one county people want to live in and they might even mess that up if they keep de-funding the schools. I'll let you have the last word so this thread is not closed like all the others you touch.

HAHAHAHAHA! Keep telling yourself that.


Um, there was one thread that was closed. You can't blame that on me. When you tell someone to "take a chill pill" like you did, you are asking for it to be closed. And now you are saying you are going to let me have the last word so it won't be closed, implying that if YOU continue to post it will be closed.


I'm just tired of your Kansas-bashing threads. It's ridiculous.


If you like, I can start a bunch of Missouri-bashing threads. That's the only thing that seems to make you slow down for a while.

[brooksider2brooklyn]

Some people don't like facts. Kansas not a fast growing place. Is what it is.

[luzianne]

Originally Posted by brooksider2brooklyn

Some people don't like facts. Kansas not a fast growing place. Is what it is.

And Overland Park is on Money Magazine's list of Best Places to Live every single year. Yep, it is what it is.


You couldn't pay me to live in Kansas City, Missouri. Many people love the Kansas side of the state line, for good reason. Why some of you have to continually bash Kansas/Johnson County is beyond me, unless you feel so bad about Missouri that you have to bash Kansas to make you feel better.