News: "Brownback signs Kansas budget and orders $97 million in allotment cuts, slashing KU funding" (Wichita: 2014, school districts)

[Moboy32]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

I actually don't hate MO at all, I'd be happy to live there.

I merely like to show the people throwing rocks the glass house they live in. Besides, most of the time the sarcastic hyperbole goes right over their heads and they think I'm being 100% serious.

I personally have zero respect for the people caught up in the silly regional rivalry that stems back to the civil war....it's bizarre to watch.

Most of these posters aren't even from Missouri. This has nothing to do with a "border war."

[thriftylefty]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

That takes some real chutzpa to try to pass that whopper. But, what I'm hearing is a challenge. Are you saying I cannot find any partisan attacks on the topic? What if I can? what then?

The attacks started before the policies even went into effect. After the results became clear then the independents and republicans also joined in.

The hyperbole continues to be partisan. Meaning that "OMG Kansas is utterly collapsing" type posts are still partisan but the "Brownbacks policies have failed" type posts are not.

The funny thing is, I've not defended Brownback or his policies and have in fact said they were failures. What I have taken objection to are claims that the state is doooooooomed and completely failed etc. by people with clear state rivalries or political motivation.

Whats partisan is not that you can find Democrats who attack him, but you won't bother to see how many conservatives who also attack him.
What is also partisan is the idea that Liberals came out against him before the results just to attack him. Maybe they already knew that Reagonomics and Trickle Down Economics is a myth and doomed to failure like it did in the great recession of 1982.
What is also partisan is greedy wealthy and middle class Conservatives in Kansas also knew this was going to be a disaster for every one except them and still won't admit it.

[phxone]

I guess four former Kansas governors are just engaging in partisan attacks as part of a leftist conspiracy to make the state look bad according to some posters here.


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[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by thriftylefty

Whats partisan is not that you can find Democrats who attack him, but you won't bother to see how many conservatives who also attack him.
What is also partisan is the idea that Liberals came out against him before the results just to attack him. Maybe they already knew that Reagonomics and Trickle Down Economics is a myth and doomed to failure like it did in the great recession of 1982.
What is also partisan is greedy wealthy and middle class Conservatives in Kansas also knew this was going to be a disaster for every one except them and still won't admit it.

So you are saying this was a boon for the middle class? Really?

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by Moboy32

Most of these posters aren't even from Missouri. This has nothing to do with a "border war."

In an earlier post I noted that the main posters are people with either a political or regional axe to grind.

Again, yet again...again and again....Brownback is an utter failure, that is not up for debate imo.

I'm merely refuting how the state is doomed, utterly collapsing and so on and so forth by people trying to make it seem as bad as possible.

Frankly, it just makes you guys look ill-informed because I'm from Illinois and well if I have to explain the shape they are in it just proves my point.

P.S. Is someone with the handle that literally reads "Missouri Boy" seriously arguing that there is no bias towards KS from border war or political affiliation? Really?

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by thriftylefty

Whats partisan is not that you can find Democrats who attack him, but you won't bother to see how many conservatives who also attack him.
What is also partisan is the idea that Liberals came out against him before the results just to attack him. Maybe they already knew that Reagonomics and Trickle Down Economics is a myth and doomed to failure like it did in the great recession of 1982.
What is also partisan is greedy wealthy and middle class Conservatives in Kansas also knew this was going to be a disaster for every one except them and still won't admit it.

I noticed you dodged the question about partisan attacks.

Are you saying I can't find any? How about just partisan attacks by you?

How about this. I haven't voted republican since 2000 in a tough decision I now regret.

What's your track record? Have you ever voted for a republican and roughly what %?

Dodging this question will be telling and I will just keep asking and noting you won't answer...so be honest.

[thriftylefty]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

I noticed you dodged the question about partisan attacks.

Are you saying I can't find any? How about just partisan attacks by you?

How about this. I haven't voted republican since 2000 in a tough decision I now regret.

What's your track record? Have you ever voted for a republican and roughly what %?

Dodging this question will be telling and I will just keep asking and noting you won't answer...so be honest.

I don't think it is much of a challenge to find Democrats or Liberals in Kansas or anywhere else for that matter who have criticized Brownback. He is the worst the state has ever had and one of the worst in the nation. Barrack Obama polls higher in Kansas than he does. You could just have a show of hands (all breathing Democrats in Kansas ) You still prefer the word attack when people criticize the worst governor to perhaps get elected anywhere.

I am an unaffiliated voter for over 30 years, have met two Kansas Governors, have been to separate events hosted by Democrats and Republicans. I have had the opportunity to have personal ties with local and state candidates and elected officials from both parties, and sent a personal note of gratitude to to thank a Republican state representative for an opportunity I was given. I will never tell anyone how I vote ,my children don't even know nor did I know how my parents, who were politically active, voted.

[thriftylefty]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

So you are saying this was a boon for the middle class? Really?

I'm guessing many small business owners would be classified as middle class. I'm betting many of them had no intention of expanding their operations or hiring people due to the windfall Brownback gave them.
I have no knowledge of finance or business but I think it was fool hardy to think that after coming off the loses of the recession small business owners would not use that windfall to recoup lost gains and build a cushion for the next time it happens. The money never made it back into the economy.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by thriftylefty

I don't think it is much of a challenge to find Democrats or Liberals in Kansas or anywhere else for that matter who have criticized Brownback. He is the worst the state has ever had and one of the worst in the nation. Barrack Obama polls higher in Kansas than he does. You could just have a show of hands (all breathing Democrats in Kansas ) You still prefer the word attack when people criticize the worst governor to perhaps get elected anywhere.

I am an unaffiliated voter for over 30 years, have met two Kansas Governors, have been to separate events hosted by Democrats and Republicans. I have had the opportunity to have personal ties with local and state candidates and elected officials from both parties, and sent a personal note of gratitude to to thank a Republican state representative for an opportunity I was given. I will never tell anyone how I vote ,my children don't even know nor did I know how my parents, who were politically active, voted.

So in just a few minutes with the search function I find lots of interesting things....

With significant progress being made on; Healthcare Reform, Illegal immigration, Gun Control, Same Sex Marriage, Decriminalization of Marijuana, aside from keeping conservatives from rolling back these successes,

Care to guess who wrote that?

Also, we agree that Brownback has been awful. When I point out that some of the posts about the extent of damage and other things related to the state have a lot of partisan hyperbole you keep circling back to how Brownback has been awful. Yes, we already settled that...yet when I object to some of the ridiculous claims about how the state is "dying" etc. I hear how that somehow makes me a Brownback supporter.

It's apparently some sort of defense mechanism where I point out something that is being unfairly overblown and rather than addressing the point I just get the same, "well almost everyone agrees Brownback is terrible" statement. Again, yes, we agree on that point. Heck, we've agreed on that point since wayyyy back in his 1st term.

[thriftylefty]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

So in just a few minutes with the search function I find lots of interesting things....



Care to guess who wrote that?

Also, we agree that Brownback has been awful. When I point out that some of the posts about the extent of damage and other things related to the state have a lot of partisan hyperbole you keep circling back to how Brownback has been awful. Yes, we already settled that...yet when I object to some of the ridiculous claims about how the state is "dying" etc. I hear how that somehow makes me a Brownback supporter.

It's apparently some sort of defense mechanism where I point out something that is being unfairly overblown and rather than addressing the point I just get the same, "well almost everyone agrees Brownback is terrible" statement. Again, yes, we agree on that point. Heck, we've agreed on that point since wayyyy back in his 1st term.

My problem with the Governor is not that he is a Republican. IMO He is a politician who got elected to govern a state that he hardy knew. Kansas was supposed to be a short detour on his way to a higher calling and all he needed was to be reelected.

As far as the quote it sounds like something the President would say and he did win twice.