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Old 11-16-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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Liberal relative to the rest of Kansas, but its not really liberal. Its a swing district, moderate Republicans dont have a tough time there, I assumed he must have done something to tick people off, perhaps went too far right.
Suburban moderate districts were clearly voicing their displeasure with Trump in this election. That very much hurt Yoder.
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Old 11-18-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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Suburban moderate districts were clearly voicing their displeasure with Trump in this election. That very much hurt Yoder.
I think some of that may have been directed at Brownback.

I have no way of measuring otherwise, but since you made the claim do you have a source or should you have just said that's "your opinion"?
(I'm not a Trump voter fyi)

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Old 11-18-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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I think some of that may have been directed at Brownback.

I have no way of measuring otherwise, but since you made the claim do you have a source or should you have just said that's "your opinion"?
Did Yoder align himself with Brownback and/or Trump? Many candidates from Manhattan to KC who aligned with Brownback had a difficult time.

The GOP is going to start losing races in these areas if they keep moving right, the suburbs are not as conservative as they used to be.

As Laura Kelly just showed, a Democrat can win in Kansas with only the metro areas. She only won one rural county and 7 counties total (out of 105 total). Kobach got less then 50% of the vote in every county with a significant town or city. Kelly only lost Saline county by 105 votes. I feel bad for the rural residents of Kansas, especially in Western Kansas, but their counties simply are not worth anything at the state level and the GOP has to realize that when they run their primaries.
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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I think some of that may have been directed at Brownback.

I have no way of measuring otherwise, but since you made the claim do you have a source or should you have just said that's "your opinion"?
(I'm not a Trump voter fyi)
Lots of data out there on the suburban republican shift this election. I have not seen anything specific to the district though. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.944e574f11f5
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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Lots of data out there on the suburban republican shift this election. I have not seen anything specific to the district though. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.944e574f11f5
After I voted early, I called an Overland Park friend to brag about my sticker. He'd already voted. Admitted to me that he realized at the last prompt by the computer that he'd voted an all DEMOCRAT ballot for the first time in his life.

I later realized this meant a CATHOLIC had voted for Yoder's opponent, a Native American Lesbian. The next time we spoke after the election, I asked him about this moral dilemma. I then asked IF he thought his 4 Catholic-educated children* might have voted against faith. I don't know, but I'm sure they didn't vote for her opponent.

*One of his daughters told him a few years back she would not consider buying a Subaru Outback because Lesbians drive them.
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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After I voted early, I called an Overland Park friend to brag about my sticker. He'd already voted. Admitted to me that he realized at the last prompt by the computer that he'd voted an all DEMOCRAT ballot for the first time in his life.

I later realized this meant a CATHOLIC had voted for Yoder's opponent, a Native American Lesbian. The next time we spoke after the election, I asked him about this moral dilemma. I then asked IF he thought his 4 Catholic-educated children* might have voted against faith. I don't know, but I'm sure they didn't vote for her opponent.

*One of his daughters told him a few years back she would not consider buying a Subaru Outback because Lesbians drive them.
A lot can change in a few years... It only took me a few years to go from being a evangelical to an atheist. Christianity will always be somewhat engrained in me and that does effect my worldview, and I have no problem with that either. I'm a Republican, but many social conservative causes put me off. For example, Brownbacks push to end LGBT equal rights ticked me off, it had no purpose. Kelly will restore that, push to decriminalize marijuana, restore the education budget, open state bidding processes, keep the state budget sane, etc.
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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After I voted early, I called an Overland Park friend to brag about my sticker. He'd already voted. Admitted to me that he realized at the last prompt by the computer that he'd voted an all DEMOCRAT ballot for the first time in his life.

I later realized this meant a CATHOLIC had voted for Yoder's opponent, a Native American Lesbian. The next time we spoke after the election, I asked him about this moral dilemma. I then asked IF he thought his 4 Catholic-educated children* might have voted against faith. I don't know, but I'm sure they didn't vote for her opponent.

*One of his daughters told him a few years back she would not consider buying a Subaru Outback because Lesbians drive them.
Catholics in metropolitan areas have usually tend to vote Democratic or the more Moderate candidate going back in time. In some suburban areas and in the Bible Belt in the South they often voted for Republican candidates, not factoring in Hispanic and Spanish demographic majority areas in the Southwest.
Subaru is practically the official state car for Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Vermont, Maine, etc. She doesn't sound well traveled.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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After I voted early, I called an Overland Park friend to brag about my sticker. He'd already voted. Admitted to me that he realized at the last prompt by the computer that he'd voted an all DEMOCRAT ballot for the first time in his life.

I later realized this meant a CATHOLIC had voted for Yoder's opponent, a Native American Lesbian. The next time we spoke after the election, I asked him about this moral dilemma. I then asked IF he thought his 4 Catholic-educated children* might have voted against faith. I don't know, but I'm sure they didn't vote for her opponent.

*One of his daughters told him a few years back she would not consider buying a Subaru Outback because Lesbians drive them.
My Dad (a dead-in-the-wool Republican) instilled in me the notion that Catholics Vote Democrat (as well as the dead in Chicago cemeteries), back in Nov 1960. (RIP Dad)

The topic was speficially Yoder (R) losing to a Democrat. My friend admitted he'd voted an all DEMOCRAT ballot for the first time in his life; & that he believed his entire Catholic family had voted for a Lesbian. I would think they'll be standing in line @ the Pearly Gates, alongside the Evangelicals who voted for Trump.

@SkyDog77 I enjoyed your Colorado threads //www.city-data.com/forum/color...18-mortem.html & //www.city-data.com/forum/color...o-capitol.html

I'm not sure you're all that familiar with Kansas: Some years back, my wife contemplated a transfer to Minnesota. Standing in line @ Walgreens behind a woman in a MN college sweatshirt, I told her we were contemplating MN. I asked IF she was a Kansan, & was there a shock moving to MN? Her reply: Yeah, there are TWO political parties.

AFAIK, Kansans are several decades behind 'Coloradans' or ' Coloradoans' in many respects. We have plenty of R-elected bigots who routinely win re-election in spite of their openness (or is it because?). Marijuana legalization => they have a double-edged sword to slay that malady.

Lawmaker claims 'character makeup' makes blacks more susceptible to marijuana
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/10/polit...rnd/index.html

Leavenworth Co commissioner reminds black consultant "we're the Master Race"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.03765aadd22e

My wife remarked in our election for state legislature, that she'd voted for an unopposed Democrat. That was the historical norm for many Republican candidates in Kansas, they ran unopposed.

This past election displayed the divide opening between urban Kansans & rurals' dwindling power. @Mattks pointed out:

As Laura Kelly just showed, a Democrat can win in Kansas with only the metro areas. She only won one rural county and 7 counties total (out of 105 total). Kobach got less then 50% of the vote in every county with a significant town or city. Kelly only lost Saline county by 105 votes. I feel bad for the rural residents of Kansas, especially in Western Kansas, but their counties simply are not worth anything at the state level and the GOP has to realize that when they run their primaries.

KS is 98% private lands. Can you imagine Coloradans/oans opposing establishment of a new national or state park? Rural Kansans would revolt, as it would take land off the tax rolls.

We spent a week this September touring the Fort Morgan area, especially Pawnee National Grasslands, as a retirement relocation. The grasslands were a lot like KS' Cimarron National Grasslands; other than the presence of all the petroleum traffic in the Pawnee. Corrugated roads (Washboarding occurs in dry, granular road material with repeated traffic, traveling at speeds above 8.0 kilometres per hour (4.97 mph). AFAIK, Colorado worked out a plan to save the sage grouse; our Kansas Gov. Brownback stated his biologists know more about prairie chickens' endangerment than the USF&WS & he opened more areas to petroleum development with the notion HIS biologists could get the prairie chickens to choose new leks based upon KDWP&T's capitulation to pertroleum's desires.
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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My Dad (a dead-in-the-wool Republican) instilled in me the notion that Catholics Vote Democrat (as well as the dead in Chicago cemeteries), back in Nov 1960. (RIP Dad)

The topic was speficially Yoder (R) losing to a Democrat. My friend admitted he'd voted an all DEMOCRAT ballot for the first time in his life; & that he believed his entire Catholic family had voted for a Lesbian. I would think they'll be standing in line @ the Pearly Gates, alongside the Evangelicals who voted for Trump.

@SkyDog77 I enjoyed your Colorado threads //www.city-data.com/forum/color...18-mortem.html & //www.city-data.com/forum/color...o-capitol.html

I'm not sure you're all that familiar with Kansas: Some years back, my wife contemplated a transfer to Minnesota. Standing in line @ Walgreens behind a woman in a MN college sweatshirt, I told her we were contemplating MN. I asked IF she was a Kansan, & was there a shock moving to MN? Her reply: Yeah, there are TWO political parties.

AFAIK, Kansans are several decades behind 'Coloradans' or ' Coloradoans' in many respects. We have plenty of R-elected bigots who routinely win re-election in spite of their openness (or is it because?). Marijuana legalization => they have a double-edged sword to slay that malady.

Lawmaker claims 'character makeup' makes blacks more susceptible to marijuana
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/10/polit...rnd/index.html

Leavenworth Co commissioner reminds black consultant "we're the Master Race"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.03765aadd22e

My wife remarked in our election for state legislature, that she'd voted for an unopposed Democrat. That was the historical norm for many Republican candidates in Kansas, they ran unopposed.

This past election displayed the divide opening between urban Kansans & rurals' dwindling power. @Mattks pointed out:

As Laura Kelly just showed, a Democrat can win in Kansas with only the metro areas. She only won one rural county and 7 counties total (out of 105 total). Kobach got less then 50% of the vote in every county with a significant town or city. Kelly only lost Saline county by 105 votes. I feel bad for the rural residents of Kansas, especially in Western Kansas, but their counties simply are not worth anything at the state level and the GOP has to realize that when they run their primaries.

KS is 98% private lands. Can you imagine Coloradans/oans opposing establishment of a new national or state park? Rural Kansans would revolt, as it would take land off the tax rolls.

We spent a week this September touring the Fort Morgan area, especially Pawnee National Grasslands, as a retirement relocation. The grasslands were a lot like KS' Cimarron National Grasslands; other than the presence of all the petroleum traffic in the Pawnee. Corrugated roads (Washboarding occurs in dry, granular road material with repeated traffic, traveling at speeds above 8.0 kilometres per hour (4.97 mph). AFAIK, Colorado worked out a plan to save the sage grouse; our Kansas Gov. Brownback stated his biologists know more about prairie chickens' endangerment than the USF&WS & he opened more areas to petroleum development with the notion HIS biologists could get the prairie chickens to choose new leks based upon KDWP&T's capitulation to pertroleum's desires.
Ha! Thanks. My familiarity with Kansas comes from the 5 years I spent in school in Lawrence in the late 90s. I was a PoliSci major so i was pretty dialed in to local politics while i was there. I still do work in the state so am back a few times a year.

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Old 11-24-2018, 08:56 PM
 
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Lots of data out there on the suburban republican shift this election. I have not seen anything specific to the district though. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.944e574f11f5
Sooo, you were making stuff up based upon your opinion.

I'm not even saying you're wrong lol, because we don't have that information.

But hey, at least you lived in the state 20 years ago (give or take)
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