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Old 03-17-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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I saw the movie Harlan KY USA and usually watch it about once a year, It was about a year long strike around 1970 between Duke Power, the owner of the mine and the United Mine Workers (UMW). Duke Power made a bundle during the 1970's while most of the people had nothing. The strike got very ugly with both sides pointing guns and getting the KY State Police involved. Eventually, a young man was killed by a company thug which brought Duke to the table to avoid the bad publicity.

The foreman in the mine was a great bad guy. He was hated by almost everyone in town, and he was a scary redneck SOB who would shoot longhairs if he could legally do it.

As a side story was that the head of the Union was basically this evil guy named Boyle who order the murder of a rival, who ended up killing the rival and his daughter in their home in Pennsylvania. Fortunately, Boyle was convicted and sentenced to prison.

So, when I saw this thread, I was thinking about people. I think there should be a scholarship program to send some of the brightest kids to Universities and jobs.

I will say that West Virginia and Kentucky are beautiful places, and there are much worse places to be poor.
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Old 03-18-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Harlan, County
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As a basis for further discusssion, extreme poverty can perhaps be defined as the inability to acquire through any means known to the members of a household the adequate nutrition, medical services, clothing, and shelter necessary to ensure the health and security of that household.

If that is the definition we are using then I do not know one family here that lives in extreme poverty.
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: The Lakes
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kywanderer... I invite you to come to see MY Harlan, Kentucky. I live here and have lived in quite a few parts of the country. While some may have a hard time here in Harlan, I can assure you we are in no worse shape than any other part of the state or country. We are teachers, we are doctors, we are nurses we are policeman, we are computer technicians. Did you know that the firm who produces most software used in school lunch programs is based right here in Harlan Kentucky? While I am not saying we dont appreciate the help. I do not want people getting on here thinking we are a bunch of poor hillbillies who let our children walk alongside the road barefoot..... That is just not the case for the good majority of our county and town. Thank you.


and oh yeah. I am yet to see a house with dirt floors or no indoor plumbing in this day and age in this county. Please, if you know of citizens in my town living like this let me know.
Try Evarts, also, I lived in the Harlan area for 10+ years. You're nowhere close to anything like the rest of the country.

You ARE a bunch of poor hillbillies... I will say, you may not be, but the majority of Harlan is a very destitute and sad place.
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: The Lakes
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If that is the definition we are using then I do not know one family here that lives in extreme poverty.
OPEN YOUR EYES. There are malnourished children all over. There are kids without shoes, the dental problem there is horrible...

Oh god... don't even get me started on that filthy, ancient hospital.
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: The Lakes
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I saw the movie Harlan KY USA and usually watch it about once a year, It was about a year long strike around 1970 between Duke Power, the owner of the mine and the United Mine Workers (UMW). Duke Power made a bundle during the 1970's while most of the people had nothing. The strike got very ugly with both sides pointing guns and getting the KY State Police involved. Eventually, a young man was killed by a company thug which brought Duke to the table to avoid the bad publicity.

The foreman in the mine was a great bad guy. He was hated by almost everyone in town, and he was a scary redneck SOB who would shoot longhairs if he could legally do it.

As a side story was that the head of the Union was basically this evil guy named Boyle who order the murder of a rival, who ended up killing the rival and his daughter in their home in Pennsylvania. Fortunately, Boyle was convicted and sentenced to prison.

So, when I saw this thread, I was thinking about people. I think there should be a scholarship program to send some of the brightest kids to Universities and jobs.

I will say that West Virginia and Kentucky are beautiful places, and there are much worse places to be poor.
First you need schools that can create bright children. Upon transferring from "calculus" to a Jessamine county school... I had to go back to Algebra 1, which I STILL had EXTREME trouble with.

I was a 4.0 student in HC, and a 2.0 for my first few years in the Lexington area.
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
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OPEN YOUR EYES. There are malnourished children all over. There are kids without shoes, the dental problem there is horrible...

Oh god... don't even get me started on that filthy, ancient hospital.
If you are so concerned with the condition of the hospital, why aren't you reporting it to the state or better yet, JCAHO? That hopsital is up for inspection soon, probably sometime in 2010. You truly want to make a difference? Go to The Joint Commission and click on that little button where you make a complaint. If that hospital is truly as filthy as you say it is, then the Joint Commission needs to be made aware of it.

Let me know the outcome when you make your complaint.
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Old 03-19-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: The Lakes
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...Because I don't live there and it's not my business. My family has all left there. It's not my responsibility but the responsibility of the people there, just as the poverty is.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
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Believe me, even if I didn't live in a place and knew that a hospital was filthy dirty, I would be informing some authority figure. I would care enough about the people who had to use the hospital to report it.

I must have taken your post wrong in thinking that you had visited someone in the local hospital recently and noticed the filthy dirty conditions there.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:44 PM
 
Location: The Lakes
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Nah, I have visited way too many people in it before though. I have nothing but distaste for the people of Appalachia now though. They're too proud to leave or do anything to improve their situation, it will be their demise and I won't be their crutch to prolong their suffering.
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
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How is reporting a filthy dirty hospital being someone's crutch? Don't you realize that filth like the kind that I am thinking you are describing affects not only the patients but also visitors if their immune system is somehow compromised?

I have and would report it again should I see filth in a hospital. Even if I had just given someone a ride to visit a family member or friend and had to go up on the unit to let them know I was there to take them home and seen filth, someone would hear about it. Sometimes, you just have to take matters into your own hands. Or were you just a child when you saw all this?
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