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Old 07-07-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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snip snip..... "Sea Foam" at you local auto parts stores and run a can of that through. It has worked well for me over the past decade.
Happy Motoring!
Carried @ Oreileys but not advanced or autozone if i recall. But yes, this stuff is amazing at cleaning your throttlebody and valves of most of the chunky carbon buildup.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Johnson City, TN
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I got a can of Sea Foam here in JC at Autozone last year I believe.

I agree with others assessments and it is verifiable that you will get considerably less mileage out the wonderful ethanol fuel. Another of several strikes against it in my book.
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Tri-Cities, TN
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I discovered today that my lawn mower barely even runs with that ethanol crap in the gas. It just sputters and dies. I can't even mow my yard!
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Johnson City, TN
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I haven't had any problem running a lawn mower with it so maybe you have some other air/fuel mixture delivery issues but...be that as it may...I guess we're stuck with it because......well, you know the reasons why we're stuck with it.

Ethanol - Frequently Asked Questions - What are the Drawbacks of Using Ethanol?

Question:
What are the Drawbacks of Using Ethanol?
Ethanol and other biofuels are often promoted as clean and relatively low-cost alternatives to gasoline, but what are the challenges inherent in the widespread adoption of ethanol and other biofuels?
Answer: The two biggest criticisms of ethanol and other biofuels are:
  1. Creating plant-based biofuels requires too much farmland to be practical or sustainable—land that would be better used to grow food.
  2. Producing ethanol and other biofuels takes more energy than the fuel can generate.
The challenge of growing enough crops to meet the demands of ethanol and/or biodiesel production is significant and, some say, insurmountable. According to some authorities, producing enough biofuels to enable their widespread adoption could mean converting most of the world’s remaining forests and open spaces to farmland—a sacrifice few people would be willing to make. “Replacing only five percent of the nation’s diesel consumption with biodiesel would require diverting approximately 60 percent of today’s soy crops to biodiesel production,” says Matthew Brown, an energy consultant and former energy program director at the National Conference of State Legislatures. “That’s bad news for tofu lovers.”
In a 2005 study, Cornell University researcher David Pimental factored in the energy needed to grow crops and convert them to biofuels and concluded that producing ethanol from corn required 29 percent more energy than ethanol is capable of generating. Pimental found similar problems with making biodiesel from soybeans.
“There is just no energy benefit to using plant biomass for liquid fuel,” Pimentel says.

http://environment.about.com/od/etha...ol_problem.htm
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Old 07-11-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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I discovered today that my lawn mower barely even runs with that ethanol crap in the gas. It just sputters and dies. I can't even mow my yard!
What kind of junk fuel are you folks in TN being sold?

Here in Minnesta, 10% ethanol is mandated and we use it all gas engines.
I use it in my lawn tractor, push mower, weed whip, chainsaw, and older gas tractor on the farm.

No troube whatsoever and have been using it for years.

Contact your fuel distributors, cuz if ethanol is causing you folks that much trouble they are selling you bad fuel .

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Old 07-11-2009, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Beautiful TN
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There is a station in Bristol whose sign says they have ethanol free gas. It is on King College Road right across from Holston View Elementary school. I will be passing by there shortly and will get the name of the station. However, it is the only station on King College Road and it is almost directly across from Holston View Elementary.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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-----"it is the only station-"

Gosh, must be a lot of sputtering cars in NE TN then ( SARC)
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Old 07-11-2009, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Beautiful TN
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guess I should say, it is one of the 2 on King College Road.. and it is the only one right by Holston View Elementary. Now the other one on King College I avoid... not because of the ethanol.. but due to the fact that they are known for "bad gas".... : )
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Johnson City, TN
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MarMac, I think the issue is not that people's cars are "sputtering" running the blends [maybe some folk's particular machines are in need of some tuning]. In practice they don't appear to be going as far per tank using ethanol which costs the same/gallon. Frugality and practicality are the issues here.
My buddy back in Maryland has a fancy Jeep Cherokee that shuts off cylinders when cruising at highway speeds to burn less fuel. It also has the capability to burn complete ethanol and all blends. He practices hyper mileage techniques and can get mid to upper 20's mpg with the thing and it is a 5.7 litre monster. If he runs pure ethanol he gets about 11 mpg. Not enough calories in the fuel. "But it burns cleaner some folks might say", and I'll counter with "yeah, but if you have to burn twice as much to go just as far is that any better for the air quality?" Plus, even if the farmers are running biodiesel when they plant the corn, and when they come back to spray pesitcide and fertilizer [plus chemical nitrogen fertilizer is made from Natural Gas...already a clean powerful fuel source in it's original state], then they run diesel fuel in their combines to harvest the corn, then they run diesel fuel in their tractor trailers to get the corn to the distillers....seems close to a wash to me. Except for the farmer maybe.
[* I read one study a while back that said alcohol blends produce more ground level ozone than petroleum alone. Ozone is a pollution problem in the Smokies]

Oh yeah, then there's this side effect of burning food in our gas tanks;

Higher U.S. ethanol blends seen spiking food prices
Tue Jun 9, 2009
Higher U.S. ethanol blends seen spiking food prices | Green Business | Reuters

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Old 07-12-2009, 06:46 PM
 
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You are correct, Northern Lights, in regards to the fact it takes a lot of fuel to grow corn.

However, if all ethanol plants closed today, there still would be a lot of corn grown anyways and they would be exporting it.

I believe the only true way to judge the extra additional fuel used would be to estimate how many less acres woould be planted to corn if ethanol plants closed.

Remember, if the ethanol plants close and the corn farmer still plants the same # of acres to corn as when he sold to the ethanol plant and the corn gets sold for export--------------we really lose out on fuel consumption.

I believe a person considering buying an E-85 car should be doing it for one reason---------reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

He should not consider buying it to save money as he won't.
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