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Old 04-01-2009, 01:18 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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By Diana M. Alba/Sun-News reporter
Posted: 04/01/2009 12:00:00 AM MDT

LAS CRUCES — Nearly 120 drivers could be cited following the first day of enforcement for the city of Las Cruces' new red light and speeding cameras Monday, according to preliminary figures from the police department. The story continues: 118 violations already recorded by city's red-light cameras - Las Cruces Sun-News


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Old 04-01-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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Question is "who owns the cameras"?

Is the city leasing the cameras?

Who owns the software operating the cameras?

Does the original owners/software/operators get a percentage of the fines paid?

It is against the LAW for a private enterprise to profit from the fines paid.

Check with Orange County Calif for similiar info on their camera usage.
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Old 04-01-2009, 02:44 PM
 
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It is against the LAW for a private enterprise to profit from the fines paid.
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Just curious . . . what law would that be?
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Old 04-01-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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I was one of those who received a warning recently: 42 in a 35 going through the Lohman-Walnut interchange. I guess I am going to have to slow down! Truthfully, the way traffic is on Lohman these days, it's very difficult to go that fast most of the day, unless you are trying to beat a red light. The additional cameras I think are at Solano and Lohman, and the big cash cow is going to be the impending Lohman-Telshor interchange.

I will slow down to 35 before I part with my money. That said, I think it wouldn't be such a bad idea for town council to consider raising the speed limit on Lohman to 40 mph.
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Old 04-01-2009, 05:19 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Question is "who owns the cameras"?
Redflex Systems Inc

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Is the city leasing the cameras?
Las Cruces has a five year contract with Redflex Systems Inc. I assume it is a similar setup which Albuquerque has used for over five years with Redflex. I believe it is a form of lease. I am not an attorney. I did not read the entire contract. Why do your questions look like a fishing trip?

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Who owns the software operating the cameras?
Owned and developed by Redflex Systems Inc.

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Does the original owners/software/operators get a percentage of the fines paid?
Redflex Systems Inc. Not really, they get a set fee.

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It is against the LAW for a private enterprise to profit from the fines paid.
No, I do not believe it is against the law. Please provide veriviable proof that it is illegal.

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Check with Orange County Calif for similiar info on their camera usage.
Redflex Systems Inc currently has contracts with 72 cities in California. But does your question have to do with New Mexico?



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Old 04-01-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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Sound Off and other places are full of outrage about these cameras and the speeding thing being added to "red light" monitoring.
I'm sure I'll be a candidate for a speeding ticket at some point, and I won't like it one bit if/when I get one.
But...drivers in and around this town is terrible, terrible, terrible, about red lights. When first here as a resident I was shocked to see cars and pickups rolling thru obviously red lights without even a hint of hesitation. My wife and I learned early on that if you're the first in line when the light goes green, do NOT move into the intersection without looking both ways for idiots who aren't going to stop.

Team this up with the high rate of uninsured drivers and it's clear there is misery moving down the road headed your way.
The arguements about not being able to "afford" to pay tickets or purchase insurance and how this is going to be a hardship for people are a huge steaming pile of crap. How are these things not part and parcel of owning and driving a car?
Ya wanna drive a car, insure it. Ya don't want a ticket, drive it correctly and safely.
Pretty simple.
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:49 PM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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I read where one city in Orange County was told they were in violation of the Red Traffic cameras and they still continue to issue tickets along with some other cities.

Tried to find the article with no luck.

My point was that they "Redflex" if correct was getting a % of the fines which was illegal for a private concern to benefit from city collected revenue via taxpayers fines. This was stated in the article I read.

Take it from there. If Las Cruces has the same equipment as Orange County Calif. then the problem wil be similiar. No can of worms yet. The software is the item that can be manipulated for more money.

Steve
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Old 04-01-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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Redflex operates these cameras all over the country they have them in several cities in Washington State where I am from and the first ones here were installed about a decade ago already. If there is manipulation I would expect they would have been busted a long time ago. I don't like these cameras either, but the fact is: if people didn't run red lights we wouldn't have these damm cameras AND if drivers quit running red lights you would see red flex go out of business!. Any bets on that happening?
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Old 04-01-2009, 08:22 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I read where one city in Orange County was told they were in violation of the Red Traffic cameras and they still continue to issue tickets along with some other cities.

Tried to find the article with no luck.
Now isn't that a shame.....


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My point was that they "Redflex" if correct was getting a % of the fines which was illegal for a private concern to benefit from city collected revenue via taxpayers fines. This was stated in the article I read.
An article which you can't find. Now isn't that a shame.....

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Take it from there. If Las Cruces has the same equipment as Orange County Calif. then the problem wil be similiar. No can of worms yet. The software is the item that can be manipulated for more money.

Steve
Las Cruces is in New Mexico. Albuquerque is in New Mexico. You are talking about a situation in California and about an unknown law. Duh. Sorry, but I answered your questions, and you did not answer my questions. So Duh, I wonder what I should think....

Since I have been called rude in these forums, how about if I become polite and just ignore your posts, since you haven't posted here in the New Mexico fourms before anyway, I consider you a casual drive-by...



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Old 04-01-2009, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Full time RV"er
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Just curious . . . what law would that be?
just check the many red light camera sites , been proven when challenged it is hard for the "PRIVATE " co . to prove that you have any liability to them . and as i have stated and proved many times all you do is demand a verified complaint from the camera co. and the so called ticket goes away . A big waste of taxpayer money.
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