[clutchcargo777]

Originally Posted by bledsoe3

Great minds think alike.

Yes, don't do anything to stand up for your rights. The economy sucks
for everyone but somehow the employer gets a pass to crap on you.
Your options are to kiss his ass or starve.

At what point do you draw the line?

I sense a serious lack of compassion here.

[tony soprano]

Originally Posted by unf0rgiven6262

Wow, the internet is just full of people up in their ivory towers. I'm sure you would say the same face to face right? In any case, nobody really gets paid what they deserve. Only what they negotiate. Davie or anyone for that matter deserves a reasonable wage for the simple fact that it's the right thing to do. In this day and age we are still paying people well below what is needed to maintain basic costs of living. Inflation has soared past the minimum wage and we wonder why so many people suddenly snap and go on murdering sprees or develop stress related illnesses.

I have some bad news for you - people are paid what the labor market will bear. Why on earth would I pay someone $40K a year to man the fry machine when I can find scores of people to do it for half that wage? By implementing an artificially imposed minimum wage I've increased the overhead for anyone providing goods & services. The providers of those goods & services will in turn pass those costs on to their customers, which results in what? Higher prices of course - that murder spree inducing inflation that you're not so keen on.

[bledsoe3]

Originally Posted by clutchcargo777

Yes, don't do anything to stand up for your rights. The economy sucks
for everyone but somehow the employer gets a pass to crap on you.
Your options are to kiss his ass or starve.

At what point do you draw the line?

I sense a serious lack of compassion here.

OK, you starve, lose you home and live on the streets. I'll kiss ass and provide for my family. While you're on the strip holding a can out begging for change to support your "rights", I'll be busting my ass so when the next promotion opens up, I'll be the one they're looking at.

Good luck with that!

Sometimes you do what you have to do.

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by tony soprano

I have some bad news for you - people are paid what the labor market will bear. Why on earth would I pay someone $40K a year to man the fry machine when I can find scores of people to do it for half that wage? By implementing an artificially imposed minimum wage I've increased the overhead for anyone providing goods & services. The providers of those goods & services will in turn pass those costs on to their customers, which results in what? Higher prices of course - that murder spree inducing inflation that you're not so keen on.

I understand how it currently works. I'm saying that it's bogus. I know it won't change anytime soon and I'm sure workers will continue to get screwed at the expense of keeping prices low. How do you think Walmart is so successful.

[tony soprano]

Originally Posted by unf0rgiven6262

I understand how it currently works. I'm saying that it's bogus. I know it won't change anytime soon and I'm sure workers will continue to get screwed at the expense of keeping prices low. How do you think Walmart is so successful.

Well, we have to screw the workers with low wages or we'll get that soaring inflation that you speak of. And you know what comes with soaring inflation - murder sprees!

Are you calling for higher wages with the corresponding increase in murder sprees?

[mojavedxer]

Labor is a commodity pure and simple. You want to earn decent wages then learn a decent skill set. It not how hard you work but the work performed and who else can perform it. Career ditch diggers and burger flippers never seem to understand the concept

Davie grow a pair and tell your boss to give yourself a raise of f@ckoff. Either way of the outcome. You will maybe learn that untill you have something to offer. You will always be f@cked by management. While I never kissed @ss in my life. When my boss said jump. My response was how high and then some.

[bledsoe3]

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

While I never kissed @ss in my life. When my boss said jump. My response was how high and then some.

That is exactly what I mean by kissing ass. Not the suck up kind.

[clutchcargo777]

I think a lot of you are missing something here. The traditional notion of offering something more to
your employers for more wages is out the window these days. I'm an IT professional with countless
certifications. I've been doing it for almost 30 years. In addition to IT, I am also a communications engineer. I have a spotless career record. My current employer (a huge fortune 100 company) has me doing my normal duties plus warehouse, parts delivery, answering phones and cleaning toilets. For 20% less then I was making last year. Mind you, I'm happy I have a job, but feel bad for the warehouse guy, parts runner and cleaning service people who don't anymore.

Do you think when things get better they will go back to paying me to just do IT? I doubt it.
If you don't see the changes it's just because they haven't hit you yet. They will.

It's easy to sit back and be smug that you aren't a ditch digger, the one thing you have going for you is that when push comes to shove you might
me offered that ditch digging job ahead of the actual ditch diggers... So they can pay you ditch digger wages for whatever profession you actually bring.

Good luck all.

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by tony soprano

Well, we have to screw the workers with low wages or we'll get that soaring inflation that you speak of. And you know what comes with soaring inflation - murder sprees!

Are you calling for higher wages with the corresponding increase in murder sprees?

I'm pretty sure minimum wage employees are not holding back soaring inflation. Even though I know you're just joking about it at this point, I will agree to disagree that screwing the workers is a questionable recipe for success to employers and a pain for employees. Take into account the amount of employee theft, employee turnaround and general disloyalty to companies and I don't think you are going to see murdering sprees slightly accommodating pay to a livable wage.

[DavieJ89]

Originally Posted by unf0rgiven6262

I'm pretty sure minimum wage employees are not holding back soaring inflation. Even though I know you're just joking about it at this point, I will agree to disagree that screwing the workers is a questionable recipe for success to employers and a pain for employees. Take into account the amount of employee theft, employee turnaround and general disloyalty to companies and I don't think you are going to see murdering sprees slightly accommodating pay to a livable wage.

People who steal and are disloyal to companies are often treated unfairly by their company. That doesn't justify their behavior but I can understand why they do what they do