[LVPoker1]

Originally Posted by nfapps

I agree with your premise, but usually use the term personal freedom. What we need to realize is that our personal freedom should not be viewed as something that gives us the right to do things that negatively affect or inhibit others personal freedoms.

One of the things smokers always say when a smoking ban passes is "My rights were taken away" and the non smokers say "You were taking away my right to breathe clean air." IMO neither of them are right. The people that lose their rights are the people that own the businesses that the government forced to change their business plan. The business owners lost their right to choose.

You wouldn't go into a non smoking private residence and light up just as a non smoker wouldn't go into someone's private home and complain that the resident was smoking. When you go into someone's business you are going into an extention of their home. You don't have any rights when you are on someone else's property. All rights are reserved by the owners.

[Isitmeorarethingsnuts?]

Originally Posted by nfapps

I agree with your premise, but usually use the term personal freedom. What we need to realize is that our personal freedom should not be viewed as something that gives us the right to do things that negatively affect or inhibit others personal freedoms.

I'm not sure how many watched the video that Fremontfred provided but it is excellent. I know some would not believe that the government would deceive them but I would ask them what has happened with all the global warming hype that wasn't peer reviewed.

I realize there are many people that don't like the smell of smoke etc. but there are also people that are allergic to things such as perfume and dyes in cloth. Do we ban those things also?

[afici0nad0]

i can't stand the smell of smoke, as it gives me headaches. but, i do understand that it is a 'feature' that LV casinos provide.

i don't see a blanket ban happening anytime soon. if anything, a casino-specific smoking ban policy would happen first (although i'd like to see how this property holds up over time...).

i don't like the smell of smoke, but, it's not going to stop me from visiting the casinos. i understand the risk, and i accept the risk...

if i were to bring my kids to the casinos, i'd probably try to find them well ventilated areas to stay in...

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by Isitmeorarethingsnuts?

I'm not sure how many watched the video that Fremontfred provided but it is excellent. I know some would not believe that the government would deceive them but I would ask them what has happened with all the global warming hype that wasn't peer reviewed.

I realize there are many people that don't like the smell of smoke etc. but there are also people that are allergic to things such as perfume and dyes in cloth. Do we ban those things also?

Actually it is dated and pretty much incorrect...

See...

Secondhand Smoke and Cancer - National Cancer Institute

I would think the casinos will continue for the immediate future...but eventually they will run into clean air problems or employee health issues. We could eventually see a voter approved total ban on smoking in public...

The neighborhood video bars would not be troubled by the ban except it exempts one of their major competitiors...the small casinos. What happened was they immediately lost the late night business to the first tier casinos. So they are basically ignoring the law. Not a good situation.

As to interfering with property rights...a stretch. Property rights do not provide the right to serve bad food. Does not provide the right to subject employees to unreasonable damage even if disclosed.

I would think it inevitable that public smoking in confined areas will be banned everywhere in the US. May take another 25 or 50 years.

[jfpinlv]

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

Yea it was Silver City. Quite a few casino's tried a smoke free pit and slot area only to find out that it was two much trouble to police and just gave up.

I think that it was the Silver Slipper. They went all smoke free. Didn't last long. It closed down in the 80's.

[jfkIII]

Originally Posted by afici0nad0

i don't see a blanket ban happening anytime soon.

Now...they're banning blankets???!!!!! What's next?

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by Chicken Wing

I understand your point, but I can't be the only who would seriously consider an alternative vacation solely because of the smoking in the casinos. It's that bad.

Rabid anti-smoker NYC Mayor Bloomberg is madly determined to ban smoking in all of Times Square, city parks and beaches and pedestrian plazas of office buildings. Great! I pray and hope his latest bout of madness passes thru the City Council chambers with jet speed.

I canceled my early Dec. trip to NYC this year in fear this measure would pass. Can't even smoke in the middle of Central Park, oh please!

I can't be the only one that will put NYC on their blacklist. One city's loss, is another's gain.

[Isitmeorarethingsnuts?]

I just saw this morning that now they are saying people that tan live longer healthier lives. Does anyone remember when coffee was supposed to cause pancreatic cancer? I wonder which way the government will try to sway our thinking next. Or what the next target will be. People need to realize that their pet behaviors will be on the list at some point and legislating behavior is not necessarily a good thing.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by jfparham

I think that it was the Silver Slipper. They went all smoke free. Didn't last long. It closed down in the 80's.

It was Silver City Silver City Casino Bites the Dust

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by Isitmeorarethingsnuts?

I just saw this morning that now they are saying people that tan live longer healthier lives. Does anyone remember when coffee was supposed to cause pancreatic cancer? I wonder which way the government will try to sway our thinking next. Or what the next target will be. People need to realize that their pet behaviors will be on the list at some point and legislating behavior is not necessarily a good thing.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure smoking doesn't fall in that category. It is proven many times over that inhaling hundreds of different poisons into your lungs is pretty damn bad for you. Actually that really should have been common sense but there's a big lack of that too. With that said, I don't really care what people do to their personal bodies. But as long as the government is going to go around deciding what we can and can't do, smoking is eventually going to be on that list.