[StaggerLee22]

Originally Posted by Tires

I love how people want to call the customers cheap or poor if they don't like tipping, but they ignore their employer underpaying them because of assumed tip income.

What do u suggest workers in the service industry do?
Particularly waiters and servers.
It IS a known fact that they rely on tips.
You want every last one of them to get together and force the owners to give them more money per hour?
That's called a strike.
...and it won't work in that industry I don't think.

It's simple---and this isn't just for you Tires--it's for EVERYBODY that refuses to tip FOR WHATEVER REASON--

Tipping is EXPECTED if the service is good.
Your flat out WRONG not to tip the waiter or server because YOU think the tip should be included in the price.
Who cares what you think?
It's NOT included in the price--so LEAVE A TIP!
I only wish some of you tightwads daughters or wives or sons take a job where tipping is expected so you can hear them cry on your shoulder about how they got stiffed.
Again.

[Tires]

Originally Posted by StaggerLee22

What do u suggest workers in the service industry do?
Particularly waiters and servers.
It IS a known fact that they rely on tips.
You want every last one of them to get together and force the owners to give them more money per hour?
That's called a strike.
...and it won't work in that industry I don't think.

It's simple---and this isn't just for you Tires--it's for EVERYBODY that refuses to tip FOR WHATEVER REASON--

Tipping is EXPECTED if the service is good.
Your flat out WRONG not to tip the waiter or server because YOU think the tip should be included in the price.
Who cares what you think?
It's NOT included in the price--so LEAVE A TIP!
I only wish some of you tightwads daughters or wives or sons take a job where tipping is expected so you can hear them cry on your shoulder about how they got stiffed.
Again.

Calm down. I didn't say I go to restaurants and not leave tips. I said I hate it so I avoid going to restaurants and I would go more often if the billing was handled differently. The restaurant will either not get any of my business or I go there once instead of 20 times.
That entitlement attitude you have is just more reason to not want to give either the server or restaurant itself any money at all ordering anything from the business nevermind a tip to the server.
The restaurant owner is the one stiffing their employees. Stop trying to blame the customers.

[Datafeed]

Originally Posted by dynimagelv

I agree 100% so we have tipping......and if you cant afford to tip properly you need to stay home in the barn.

did you read my post above?



In any event, I am not a fan of having my livelihood rely upon the generiousity of others. This hold-your-hand-out sense of entitlement is very off putting. if I were not so polite, I would stiff someone who copped an attitude about the largess of my kindness.

For the record, i normally tip between 15-20%.

[Tires]

The 20% markup can just be added to the cost of each menu item. They can just pay everyone more or they can give bonuses to the best employees based on sales and survey responses.
Customers can mark on a receipt survey how they rate the server's service with some default score for no response or the restaurant owner or manager can come up their own ideas on how to handle it and the workers can decide if that's where they want to work.
In the meantime, I will spend less money at restaurants by going less often and the restaurants will have that much less revenue over the year.

[ry888]

Originally Posted by Datafeed

Your comment is very myopic;allow me to demonstrate the consequences of your position.

You become upset when a customer tips 10% and the customer notes this. The customer does not come back. This cycle repeats itself until the restaurant has a decline in business. The restaurant then cuts the shifts of service staff. Perhaps this leads to a further decline in service not to mention other servers hitting the unemployment line. Less revenue all around leads to less jobs.

That $6 tip that you turned your nose up at because you expected $15 is better than no tip and no job.

I hate the concept of tipping. I should not be obligated to show gratuity.

I wish they would just add it to price of the food on the menu and server gets a percent of the bill.

I would rather appreciate servers from the bottom of my heart. Forced tipping is lame. In the US you have choices to eat don't like tipping? Go to places where tipping is not necessary.

[ry888]

Originally Posted by Datafeed

did you read my post above?



In any event, I am not a fan of having my livelihood rely upon the generiousity of others. This hold-your-hand-out sense of entitlement is very off putting. if I were not so polite, I would stiff someone who copped an attitude about the largess of my kindness.

For the record, i normally tip between 15-20%.

Your comment is based on ignorant, it is like expecting airlines providing you with live personalized vip human service from buying ticket to check in yet refused to pay the premium or expecting Mc D employee to go to your table with smile taking your order and deliver your meal and clean up your mess afterward. Lame excuse and logic buddy.

[ry888]

For cheapskates non tippers here don't like to pay extra do self service then. Can't afford to pay a h@@ker then w@nk yourself off and stop b*tching.

[lvre411]

Awww... ask some questions about tipping and the age old debate about tipping or not to tip, how much, how little all comes up.

Vegas has some of the best services you can find anywhere in the U.S.... if not the best considering the prices.

The cheap prices have a lot to do with low wages...

But the potential for making a decent living off of tips tends to attract some pretty good people to work in Las Vegas for the most part.

So you get cheap prices and great service.... why anybody would want higher prices and lower quality service is beyond me.

Tipping is a great form of Capitalism.... work hard, provide great service and that person should be rewarded.... and vice versa. (Which basically means I don't automatically tip for crappy service.)

So to answer the original question...

Back in the day when I worked for tips in Vegas... the overall cheapest tippers tended to be from Socialist / Communist style countries.

Go Figure...

[Tom Lennox 70]

1) What percentage of Americans are good tippers? What percentage of Americans are bad tippers?

- I think the majority of us are good tippers. I usually tip 20% though I have a rule that I don't go below $4 for a tip, this is because admittedly I frequent cheap places like Dennys and Waffle House and local diners where two people can eat for $10 and a $2 tip is too miserly. Most of my friends tip 18 to 20%.

2) What percentage of European/Canadian/Australian visitors are good tippers? What percentage are bad tippers?

I have no idea I've just heard ethat Europeans are bad. I don't know if people tip in Canada and Australia though those are the two places most similar to America.

2a) If you think they are bad tippers, WHY do you think they are bad tippers? Ignorance of our system? Cheapskates?

When the vast majority of foreigners, including recent immigrants, don't tip well it is because they don't know about our culture. Among some, especially illegal immigrants, there is the mentality that they don't care how we do it in America, they want to keep their culture. When an American just doesn't tip well, in my experience its usually a ghetto person with a ghetto mentality that knows society's expectation but just don't care, just like the ghetto people who would answer their cell phone in a public library and talk loudly for 10 minutes or the ghetto people who will blast music from their house and litter on the sidewalk (I used to live in the city of Baltimore this is all commonplace).

3) Who are the worst of the worst? (What nationality/demographic of guest makes you cringe when they walk in?)

Where I live to "be a Jew" still means to not tip well though that isn't the most accurate. An elderly person, a ghetto person or an illegal immigrant would be the worst, and foreigners from anywhere. Also beware of the Long Island or East Coast princesses and California queens. If you get a table with North Face jackets and Uggs boots that is very bad. See with them its not that they are opposed to tipping per se. They will tip when they think the service is good, but the thing is that they are very pampered and spoiled so what they consider good service is much harder to satisfy compared to the average normal person.

The best tippers are blue collar white people or small town people who know what its like to work for a living. Thoguh you see a spin sometimes on the above you might think service is good but for someone used to Southern hospiality it might not be.

4) Got any tip anecdotes to share?

I don't live in Las Vegas but just saw this thread on top. Some interesting stories and points though. First I am of Asian descent and take issue with the poster who said Asians don't tip well. That is usually foreign Asian tourists and not Asian Americans. A lot of Asian Americans like many people in my family are actually in the restaurant business so they know how it works. When my parents have someone visiting from their country, which is very rare now, they always explain the concept of tipping 20% when going out for food. I've done it with two friends from Europe and was surprised they already knew about American tipping standards (this was funny cause I was telling them how much Texas Roadhouse costs but that they have to add 20% of a tip because that is what we do in America and they were like they knew about that already.) I once saw a Mexican man try to tip a stewardess on a flight, for a foreigner I can understand this since a stewardess is like a waitress but for some reason they aren't tipped.

I seen a restaurant in Florida write in bold italic letters "for our international guests it is customary to leave 15-20% tip for good service", now that was the best and should be done in all touristy areas.

The best service I've gotten is never some fancy chain or resort where they are well trained and scripted but that usually comes across as fake. The best service I've gotten has always been at small local places or places like Waffle House where they don't really have to be nice to you.



Thanks!

[Tom Lennox 70]

I don't know how strict is still is but when I worked in a restaurant (and still have many friends who do) they prefer cash tips because they don't have to declare all of it. A table can tip $20 and they can just say they were stiffed and not have to pay taxes on the money wheras you can't hide this on a credit card.

In a casino I tip $1 a drink, sometimes more if the girl is pretty. I've had some cocktail waitresses in the Stratosphere mention that they live completely on tips in addition to giving the price of the drinks (I always ask to find otu what is free. Many diners I've been to how ask everyone if you want to add a tip on the card vs have you write it in on your copy that prints out, this is usually when you pay at the counter. I know a diner that gets a more ghetto crowd after midnight and a lot of drunks on the weekends so there are certain times when the tip is included for all customers.