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Old 01-23-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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I will preface this post by stating I do not necessarily fully subscribe to the belief that "educated" individuals are any more capable than those who are self taught or those who took alternative paths to life. However, there is a fair correlation between education and success, it seems. I do not wish to alienate anyone or come across as uppity, but I am specifically querying those who are educated and can speak from experience, not conjecture.

I have a Bachelor's in Computer Science with a minor in Mathematics from a state college in Texas (accredited). I recently completed a 4.0 finance MBA from UNLV (AACSB accredited, as well). I moved to Las Vegas at 22 and am currently 32 yrs old. I have worked for the same company for 9 years, starting as a software engineer and slowly climbing the ranks to the point that I am now the General Manager in charge of the entire company. The problem is, the poor economy has eroded our revenues (based on "normal" goods the general population doesn't particularly desire in "inferior" times) to the point where there isn't much company left. I currently earn approximately $70k. I am involved in all aspects of the business from software development to accounting, marketing, sales, customer service, HR, etc.. It's a pretty general bucket of experience.

I have a few friends in the casino industry on the business side (financial analysts, etc.) who likely could get me in the door should we close up shop here, but it'd be in the low 50 range. That's nothing to sneeze at, but is a step backwards. Of all the people I know who work in hotels, none of them have been promoted substantially without continual job hopping. I'm more of a loyal, long-term employee.

I'm curious to hear, have other educated individuals had much luck in the Valley securing decent paying jobs an educated person would expect to acquire? ... or would you encourage me to hold on to this gig like gold as long as it lasts? I know some people regard an education as useless in this Valley, but I don't really buy into that. Every educated person I know has a decent job here ... exactly 0 are unemployed.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I'm not in your field but in education. I agree with you regarding education generally equal to better odds. I was able to secure a job here prior to leaving New Jersey (this past August). I do not make much money (under 50K after a decade teaching) but didn't enter to field for the money. That being said, I would caution you to keep you job while looking. It seems just about every sector is cutting back and a wait and see approach may be best until things really start to turn around. Ever the optimist, I'm betting that January 2013 will be the start of some much better times for the valley....and for job prospects.

Best of luck!
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:50 PM
 
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Well, I can relate my experience. Sounds like our credentials are pretty similar. I'm also 32, and majored in computer-science and economics at a top school. I'm currently self-employed, and moved to Vegas about a year and a half ago. I make most of my income from a client in NJ where I manage a development team. I worked at this firm at their office when I lived in NJ, and was able to keep them as a remote client when I came to Vegas. I'm also a principal at a tiny mobile-app startup here in Vegas, where I try to mostly do core server-side development, but get sucked into management stuff plenty as well.

What I can say is that good local developers charging under $60/hr are almost impossible to find. I've specifically tried finding iOS developers, Android developers, and even Flash/Flex guys and Drupal and PHP people, and we always go through lots of people (and not just in Vegas) before finding someone who represents an acceptable balance of cost and skill.

So, I would say that if you're a solid developer (especially iOS and/or Android), and you can *also* manage a team, take initiative, communicate well, etc, you're quite valuable to startups. You'd have to work as a contractor most likely, but, for example, we're happy to find a good developer in the $40-$50/hr range (unfortunately we don't need anyone right now - else I'd've already asked for your phone number and resume).

Not sure if that's helpful to you or not, but I can also add that in a startup environment at least, education is not a primary factor. What you've accomplished sure is, as well as how you come across on interviews, etc, etc. A name school, and/or relevant degrees, etc, certainly help, but I think most people hiring developers (except for the big college recruiters (Google, Microsoft, etc)) look primarily at what code you've written and your other professional qualities. Just my two-cents, though.

Best of luck in whatever route you choose.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I know the Financial Director at the Riviera was hiring for an analyst/database marketing person in the 70k range. Maybe that would be a good option?
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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We are different flavors of the same ice cream. I used to make almost 6 figures and here......wait for it.....I just got laid off of a $12 per hour job. And it took me a while to get that job. BTW, to get the job I had to take all higher education and technical training off my resume. I put all the emphasis on skills like answering the phone, filing, and faxing. Some people even told me to fill my resume with syntax and spelling mistakes. I just couldn't go that far.

Probably the big difference is that I'm old and you're not.

Yes, I would hang on to that job like gold. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't at least check out the job posted above. In Vegas, gaming is where it's at. If you can get a position that pays decently, take it.

The only interview I've had for a good job here was for Senior Network Analyst at McCarran. They didn't hire me. I bet the competition was fierce. But it was wonderful to get a real interview and they were even civil enough to actually send me a rejection email. I felt like a real person!
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Oh BTW I guess his one of his people either got let go and/or fired so now he is looking to pay up to 125k. Just FYI -
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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one of the LAST places I would want to work is the Riviera....at any price....
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by djslakor View Post
I will preface this post by stating I do not necessarily fully subscribe to the belief that "educated" individuals are any more capable than those who are self taught or those who took alternative paths to life. However, there is a fair correlation between education and success, it seems. I do not wish to alienate anyone or come across as uppity, but I am specifically querying those who are educated and can speak from experience, not conjecture.

I have a Bachelor's in Computer Science with a minor in Mathematics from a state college in Texas (accredited). I recently completed a 4.0 finance MBA from UNLV (AACSB accredited, as well). I moved to Las Vegas at 22 and am currently 32 yrs old. I have worked for the same company for 9 years, starting as a software engineer and slowly climbing the ranks to the point that I am now the General Manager in charge of the entire company. The problem is, the poor economy has eroded our revenues (based on "normal" goods the general population doesn't particularly desire in "inferior" times) to the point where there isn't much company left. I currently earn approximately $70k. I am involved in all aspects of the business from software development to accounting, marketing, sales, customer service, HR, etc.. It's a pretty general bucket of experience.

I have a few friends in the casino industry on the business side (financial analysts, etc.) who likely could get me in the door should we close up shop here, but it'd be in the low 50 range. That's nothing to sneeze at, but is a step backwards. Of all the people I know who work in hotels, none of them have been promoted substantially without continual job hopping. I'm more of a loyal, long-term employee.

I'm curious to hear, have other educated individuals had much luck in the Valley securing decent paying jobs an educated person would expect to acquire? ... or would you encourage me to hold on to this gig like gold as long as it lasts? I know some people regard an education as useless in this Valley, but I don't really buy into that. Every educated person I know has a decent job here ... exactly 0 are unemployed.

Thanks in advance!
I'm glad I dropped out of college at 21. I only have 30 hours to go.

At 21 I dropped out of college and earned 48,000 my first year.

I've earned between 50,000 to 280,000 a year since then.

If you can sell that is where it is at. Oh yeah and you have to sell the most profitable service or product you can get your hands on.

Last edited by observer53; 01-28-2012 at 08:26 AM.. Reason: to avoid further off topic posts
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix, AZ USA
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Many posts deleted. Keep this thread on topic, please. Thanks!
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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Interesting post.
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