[LVPoker1]

Originally Posted by BBMW

So you can still get decent paying VP? You sound like you're up on your VP strategy. What was the pay table?

Boulder Station (and all Station Casinos for that matter) have good video poker if you look. You can find full pay machines (9/6 JOB, FP White Hot Aces, Not so ugly Deuces etc) on full point machines. If you don't mind getting 25% points, they have many 100%+ payback machines with 10/7/5 DB, 10/6 DDB and FPDW.

[Atlas1337]

I lost $300 at Wynn tonight, but it lasted me 8 straight hours + 6 'free' drinks. I got >$5000 worth of play from it which probably netted me some 'comps' including buffet passes which I regularly use.

I watched people line up for one of the night clubs which made me consider how relatively cheap my 25 cent (3 credit max) slot was as a form of entertainment. I do intend to win my money back from this particular progressive, then use those winnings to tame the 'Lion's Share' progressive at MGM.

[BBMW]

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Wishful thinking. But that's what Vegas is built on. Sut it does sound like you had fun.

[yellowsnow]

Originally Posted by BBMW

So you can still get decent paying VP? You sound like you're up on your VP strategy. What was the pay table?

There are very few full pay machines around anymore. VP just doesn't pay as much as it used to. Back in the day, I almost always made money but now I'm happy to just get a bit of play. Now it's just entertainment. I do practice at a free site online to make sure my play continues to be perfect or to learn the right strategy for new games.

Here's the pay table as I remember it. I'm sure I am pretty close. $1.25 per hand. It's not full pay.

Jacks or better 5
2 pair 10
3 of a kind 15
straight 20
flush 25
full house 35
FOAK 5's to K's 125(at least, this is a progressive pay)
FOAK 2's, 3's, 4's 200(also progressive)
FOAK Aces 400(also progressive)
straight flush 250
royal flush 1K(also progressive)
sequential royal 12K

There's another bank of progressive sequential royal quarter machines but I have never done well on them. These are up by the security booth, also close to the sports book. Right across from the cashier's cage.

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by yellowsnow

There are very few full pay machines around anymore. VP just doesn't pay as much as it used to. Back in the day, I almost always made money but now I'm happy to just get a bit of play. Now it's just entertainment. I do practice at a free site online to make sure my play continues to be perfect or to learn the right strategy for new games.

Here's the pay table as I remember it. I'm sure I am pretty close. $1.25 per hand. It's not full pay.

Jacks or better 5
2 pair 10
3 of a kind 15
straight 20
flush 25
full house 35
FOAK 5's to K's 125(at least, this is a progressive pay)
FOAK 2's, 3's, 4's 200(also progressive)
FOAK Aces 400(also progressive)
straight flush 250
royal flush 1K(also progressive)
sequential royal 12K

There's another bank of progressive sequential royal quarter machines but I have never done well on them. These are up by the security booth, also close to the sports book. Right across from the cashier's cage.

You reminded me of the site I used to practice on every now and then for free. I just checked it out and it was seized by the US government.

[yellowsnow]

Originally Posted by LVPoker1

Boulder Station (and all Station Casinos for that matter) have good video poker if you look. You can find full pay machines (9/6 JOB, FP White Hot Aces, Not so ugly Deuces etc) on full point machines. If you don't mind getting 25% points, they have many 100%+ payback machines with 10/7/5 DB, 10/6 DDB and FPDW.

Maybe you understand this better than I do....

I was told when VP went from great to just barely OK, they didn't have to change the paytables, although many did. What they did was make the expected life of the machine longer. Since the machine is programmed to pay X of whatever over it's expected life, it now pays off less often.

Have I got this right?

[BBMW]

They'd have to change the pay table to do that. The machines are supposed to deal a "real" deck randomly. So you're going to have a normal distribution of hands. So given that the hands played would be the same, the only way to change how much a given game will pay out over time is to change what each winning hand pays.

[yellowsnow]

Originally Posted by BBMW

They'd have to change the pay table to do that. The machines are supposed to deal a "real" deck randomly. So you're going to have a normal distribution of hands. So given that the hands played would be the same, the only way to change how much a given game will pay out over time is to change what each winning hand pays.

This is the way it was when VP was a 'square game' and you could make money at it. Now there is some kind of chipset they can change at will that makes it harder to win.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by yellowsnow

This is the way it was when VP was a 'square game' and you could make money at it. Now there is some kind of chipset they can change at will that makes it harder to win.

There are many chipsets on a VP machine. None of them change the stats making it harder to win. Only the amounts you win can be changed.

[BBMW]

I really doubt that. They'd have to change the dealt deck to do that, and that would raise big red flags with Gaming Control. I think they just backed off the paytables.

Originally Posted by yellowsnow

This is the way it was when VP was a 'square game' and you could make money at it. Now there is some kind of chipset they can change at will that makes it harder to win.