[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by JonathanLB

This old comment is certainly accurate. Most of what we drove through in Summerlin was waaaay too far away from any shopping or retail. 5-8 minutes without seeing anything but houses was a really lame feeling to any area of town. I have no idea where these people came from that such a situation seems nice to them. I’ve never seen a worse laid out area. I guess nobody said “master planned” would mean “well planned,” that was my mistake assuming someone competent made the plans lol.

Henderson is actually an old industrial town. Has far less planning than Summerlin .

There are places in both Summerlin and southern Henderson that are relatively isolated. There are also places that are not. Sun City Summerlin and the surrounding parts of Summerlin have embedded super market, drug stores, banks, fast food, restaurants and easy access to virtually anything on Cheyenne and Lake Mead. Some other places like the developments at the end of Trop are more isolated. Note though there is an area in there zoned for a good sized casino...just waiting for enough roof tops.

Likewise if you get into some of the south Henderson tracts you find similar. For instance you can find some light services in Anthem but for anything heavier you need to make your way down to Eastern. From the back part of Anthem the standard out route is through Volunteer to the I15. 10 to 15 minutes to get to the 15 and you still need to get to your destination.

GVR is a little different and actually approaches walk-able. But that is really just one good sized tract.

[NLVgal]

Originally Posted by mntonv

Seriously? There are plenty of very nice areas around Vegas besides Henderson. Even ones that aren't gated and are just as green.

It is called Green Valley because the Greenspuns bought all of that land dirt cheap after Pepcon blew and spewed toxic waste ail over the area. Then they created Green Valley.

i like GV, but i know exactly what it is built on.

Ask the Henderson residents fighting over the new highway to Phoenix because it churned up "naturally occurring" asbestos.

i would explain Pepcon, but all of you are capable of google. it was quite a lovely pink mushroom cloud.

[Tek_Freek]

And one hell of a hero came out of all that destruction, iirc.

[JonathanLB]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

Henderson is actually an old industrial town. Has far less planning than Summerlin .

There are places in both Summerlin and southern Henderson that are relatively isolated. There are also places that are not. Sun City Summerlin and the surrounding parts of Summerlin have embedded super market, drug stores, banks, fast food, restaurants and easy access to virtually anything on Cheyenne and Lake Mead. Some other places like the developments at the end of Trop are more isolated. Note though there is an area in there zoned for a good sized casino...just waiting for enough roof tops.

Likewise if you get into some of the south Henderson tracts you find similar. For instance you can find some light services in Anthem but for anything heavier you need to make your way down to Eastern. From the back part of Anthem the standard out route is through Volunteer to the I15. 10 to 15 minutes to get to the 15 and you still need to get to your destination.

GVR is a little different and actually approaches walk-able. But that is really just one good sized tract.

I didn’t say which is more planned, but the planning of Summerlin is TERRIBLE! I’d rather no planning at all than that “master planned” eyesore. The entire The Cliffs area for instance borders the incredibly ghetto Spring Valley - complete with its IKEA and low end shopping areas - and Cliffs has no retail whatsoever. As “amenities” it lists a freaking water park and a few schools. There is NO excuse for any master planned community to have any neighborhood without a large retail complex that has local restaurants and banks and other essentials. NOPE. If you live in The Cliffs you’re driving 10 minutes to get anywhere. That’s planning?! That’s garbage! Anyone could plan a better community than Summerlin with their eyes closed. Even the entire downtown of Summerlin is not walkable at all, it’s car central, and beyond that it’s just creepy feeling. Overpriced, sparsely populated, doesn’t feel like a place you’d want to be.

Whereas in Henderson, the vast majority of any good area is extremely close to Eastern. The nice houses in MacDonald Ranch are not even 5 minutes from 100 restaurants. There is FAR more planning and development. The “planning” for Summerlin basically goes like this: “Well let’s restrict most anything except more houses because these mediocre child-obsessed clowns living here don’t care about retail just more parks for their little spawns and we don’t need to offer any sort of restaurants, the wife will be cooking like it’s the 1950s, oh and we’ll give everyone a tiny lot half the size of anywhere else but charge twice as much.”

Yeaaaaah no thanks! That whole area is a sucker’s purchase.

[Princeton1990]

Originally Posted by JonathanLB

I didn’t say which is more planned, but the planning of Summerlin is TERRIBLE! I’d rather no planning at all than that “master planned” eyesore. The entire The Cliffs area for instance borders the incredibly ghetto Spring Valley - complete with its IKEA and low end shopping areas - and Cliffs has no retail whatsoever. As “amenities” it lists a freaking water park and a few schools. There is NO excuse for any master planned community to have any neighborhood without a large retail complex that has local restaurants and banks and other essentials. NOPE. If you live in The Cliffs you’re driving 10 minutes to get anywhere. That’s planning?! That’s garbage! Anyone could plan a better community than Summerlin with their eyes closed. Even the entire downtown of Summerlin is not walkable at all, it’s car central, and beyond that it’s just creepy feeling. Overpriced, sparsely populated, doesn’t feel like a place you’d want to be.

Whereas in Henderson, the vast majority of any good area is extremely close to Eastern. The nice houses in MacDonald Ranch are not even 5 minutes from 100 restaurants. There is FAR more planning and development. The “planning” for Summerlin basically goes like this: “Well let’s restrict most anything except more houses because these mediocre child-obsessed clowns living here don’t care about retail just more parks for their little spawns and we don’t need to offer any sort of restaurants, the wife will be cooking like it’s the 1950s, oh and we’ll give everyone a tiny lot half the size of anywhere else but charge twice as much.”

Yeaaaaah no thanks! That whole area is a sucker’s purchase.

There is A LOT of misinformation in your posts about Summerlin, but different strokes. I wouldn’t live anywhere but Summerlin. The future ammenities being added to Summerlin are spectacular.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by JonathanLB

I didn’t say which is more planned, but the planning of Summerlin is TERRIBLE! I’d rather no planning at all than that “master planned” eyesore. The entire The Cliffs area for instance borders the incredibly ghetto Spring Valley - complete with its IKEA and low end shopping areas - and Cliffs has no retail whatsoever. As “amenities” it lists a freaking water park and a few schools. There is NO excuse for any master planned community to have any neighborhood without a large retail complex that has local restaurants and banks and other essentials. NOPE. If you live in The Cliffs you’re driving 10 minutes to get anywhere. That’s planning?! That’s garbage! Anyone could plan a better community than Summerlin with their eyes closed. Even the entire downtown of Summerlin is not walkable at all, it’s car central, and beyond that it’s just creepy feeling. Overpriced, sparsely populated, doesn’t feel like a place you’d want to be.

Whereas in Henderson, the vast majority of any good area is extremely close to Eastern. The nice houses in MacDonald Ranch are not even 5 minutes from 100 restaurants. There is FAR more planning and development. The “planning” for Summerlin basically goes like this: “Well let’s restrict most anything except more houses because these mediocre child-obsessed clowns living here don’t care about retail just more parks for their little spawns and we don’t need to offer any sort of restaurants, the wife will be cooking like it’s the 1950s, oh and we’ll give everyone a tiny lot half the size of anywhere else but charge twice as much.”

Yeaaaaah no thanks! That whole area is a sucker’s purchase.

And you continue to display your lack of knowledge. Most of Anthem including the part near Eastern uses the back way through Volunteer to get off the hill. Seven Hills can get out reasonably quickly as it exits on to St. Rose which can go to Eastern or west to 15. There is some very limited local shopping on top of the hill but for anything else you have to come down off it.

If you get to know people in southern Henderson you will find out that Eastern is roundly hated. It represents a major bottleneck to gain access to the rest of the city. If you need something on Eastern it is all-right...but otherwise it is a major nuisance. Volunteer helps a lot but does not cure the problem.

Summerlin has excellent shopping at Downtown Summerlin, at Boca Park, on Lake Mead, On Tropicana, On Cheyenne, on Charleston etc.

I don't like the Cliffs. The tracts are not consistent and it has the likelihood of not coming out very well. It is basically the southern tip of Summerlin which is buried in other tracts not part of Summerlin.

But come north and west and it comes out pretty well.

Southern Henderson has some great areas. I like much of it very well. But it is in no way superior to Summerlin..

But if you move to southern Henderson you can put down Summerlin. And if you move to Summerlin you can put down southern Henderson.

Well established local myths in both places.

[Tek_Freek]

The amazing lack of knowledge shown by JBwhodoesn'tlivehere, butseemstohavetheneedtobetheknowitall is consistently laughable.

The only other thing I can think of is desperation for hit counts. As if anyone else here cares about hits.

We had a poster named RonnieJonez in another city thread that was similar. No matter what the subject the city was trash, With this one it seems there is a distinct HO for Summerlin.

I always called him Ronniewhocan'tspellhisname.

Got a lot of laughs out of other posters.

[NLVgal]

Originally Posted by Tek_Freek

The amazing lack of knowledge shown by JBwhodoesn'tlivehere, butseemstohavetheneedtobetheknowitall is consistently laughable.

The only other thing I can think of is desperation for hit counts. As if anyone else here cares about hits.

We had a poster named RonnieJonez in another city thread that was similar. No matter what the subject the city was trash, With this one it seems there is a distinct HO for Summerlin.

I always called him Ronniewhocan'tspellhisname.

Got a lot of laughs out of other posters.

The word “****” just comes to mind whenever he posts. I’m convinced this is a persona created to perpetuate the Vegas local lore that Kalifirnicators are *****.

I haven’t been to band camp for a while. Hope they kept my tent ready.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

From the back part of Anthem the standard out route is through Volunteer to the I15. 10 to 15 minutes to get to the 15 and you still need to get to your destination.

I used to live in The Club at Madeira Canyon -- as far south on Eastern as you can possibly go -- well past Anthem. It was only 20-25 minutes from my doorstep to Palace Station. That was 8 years ago, and of course the traffic was better back then. Here's the current time: 26 minutes.



https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Pala...9!2d35.9275846

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

If you get to know people in southern Henderson you will find out that Eastern is roundly hated. It represents a major bottleneck to gain access to the rest of the city. If you need something on Eastern it is all-right...but otherwise it is a major nuisance. Volunteer helps a lot but does not cure the problem.

Volunteer helps for people farther south -- especially those in Inspirada.

Originally Posted by lvmensch

Seven Hills can get out reasonably quickly as it exits on to St. Rose which can go to Eastern or west to 15.

There are a couple other (relatively) new traffic paths that also help for those in Seven Hills or Anthem:

Seven Hills Drive becomes Spencer, then left on Cactus.

Seven Hills Drive ==> St. Rose ==> make a right at Executive Airport/Starr. (I thought Starr was going to be an I-15 onramp/offramp, but just read it is merely an overpass over I-15 without on/off ramps.)